Pretty good.
Russ
In a message dated Tue, 15 Feb 2000 1:37:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Geoff Thureson" <gthureson@hotmail.com> writes:
> rob bowes <ro-@wolflair.com> wrote:
> original article:[url]http://www.egroups.com/group/armybuilder/?start=527[/url]
> > This is all news to me (and quite disappointing). I'd appreciate
> hearing
> > what reactions other users are encountering in different locations.
> > However, there's no need to clutter up the forum with this
> information, so
> > please send them to me directly.
> >
> > Thanks, Rob
> >
> > P.S. I'd also be interested to hear what happens at the Baltimore
> GTs,
> > since I know a number of attendees are Army Builder users. I'm going
> to the
> > Seattle GT, and I'd prefer not to be surprised by something like this.
> >
> >
> > At 11:46 PM 2/8/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > >All GW retail employees who go to Baltimore for standard staff
> training are
> > >being told this. They are also being told that Rob is in violation of
> > >copyright for using known Gamesworkshop graphics and trademarks.
> Which seems
> > >unfounded to me. Further. They are being told that the use of
> armylists
> > >created using armybuilder is banned in all GW stores. It will also
> be banned
> > >at all official GamesWorkshop sponsored functions.
> >
> >
> I would have snipped this down a bit, but I wanted to leave it all
> there before I made my comment.
>
> I played in a tournemant in St. Catharines (Ont.) this past weekend,
> and went out to dinner with the store owner and some of the regulars
> afterwards. Part of the conversation can probably help shed some light
> of GW's position on Army Builder (though this is the first that I had
> heard they are opposed to it.)
>
> GW has been filing copyright complaints against other miniature
> companies for their Orks. Basically claiming that their Orks are too
> close to GW's Orks and thus are infringing on their intellectual
> property. This, despite the fact that Orks are ripped off from
> Tolkien. Space Marines are out of Starship Troopers. Tyranids are out
> of Alien. High Elves, and thus, Space High Elves are pretty much based
> on Tolkien as well. GW has it blinders on in these situations. They
> are protecting their 'intellectual property', despite the fact that
> they have lifted much of it off other people's intellectual property.
>
> What I see happening here is that GW is pretty much thinking that if
> you can make Codex or Black Book armies without having bought the Codex
> or Black Book, this will be classified as a 'Bad Thing'. Never mind
> the fact that you still have buy the minitures and paints, and that's
> where the real money comes from. Or that, if I can judge from most
> gamers I have met, simply having Army Builder will not stop them from
> buying the Codex and the box anyway. Gamers are that way, they like to
> own it. They always will be. All GW is seeing is an infringement of
> copyright (which I don't think actually exists) and a threat to sales
> of the published material.
>
> They are continuing a very short-sighted policy. As if they have not
> alienated enough people already with drastic price hikes. I still buy
> the stuff, 'cause I like it, and like any gamer, I am willing to pay
> the price to own a cool looking miniture that I can paint up. GW is
> the only game in town right now, (don't start on other wargames, they
> either have crappy minitures, or a crappy game, or both). Thus they
> are feeling like they can have their own way on these matters.
>
> My opinion is this. GW should embrace Army Builder, and Roll Call,
> and anything else that helps promote their game. Cutting the time to
> make an army list from an hour and a half (which I used to do having to
> add up wargear and upgrades and such) down to maybe fifteen minutes has
> been a real boon. It does nothing but help their product. If I was
> GW, I'd tell retailers to stick a computer in their store with the damn
> product running. If somebody wanted to know what army to buy and what
> they needed, sit down with them and build an army with them. There
> you go, you need 55 models, and here is what they are. Plus you'll
> need the Codex for all the special rules that go with them. Cha-ching,
> you've probably just made $500 in sales.
>
> But that kind of attitude will probably not happen until Games Workshop
> has some real competition in the marketplace. Until they do, they will
> continue to feel like they can treat their consumer like crap.
>
>
> Geoff
>
> (By the way, did I mention that a gallon of black paint sold by Citadel
> would cost $1900 (Can). Don't even think about painting your house
> with it.)
>
>
>
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