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There are 16 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Dark Eldar Ally question
From: "Lynn Moore" <Syksrep159@cs.com>
2. Re: Dark Eldar Ally question
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
3. Re: Dark Eldar Ally question
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
4. Re: Dark Eldar Ally question
From: Joseph Prozinski <prozinskij@yahoo.com>
5. Re: Dark Eldar Ally question
From: Matthew Weaver <m_weave@yahoo.com>
6. Battle Sisters
From: Ron Kilby <kilbo98@yahoo.com>
7. Date Stamp?
From: khime@io.com
8. Re: Date Stamp?
From: freds67@aol.com
9. Re: Wish list
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
10. Re: Timing and the chld attribute, and smap for costs
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
11. Re: Printout Options Wishlist
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
12. Re: Gear Krieg AB Files
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
13. Re: Armies of Arcana
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
14. Re: Date Stamp?
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
15. Thousand Son Terminator errors
From: ice_age@hotmail.com
16. SV: Battle Sisters Colen please read.
From: "Niels Peter Gibe" <np@tagarno.dk>
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:10:13 -0000
From: "Lynn Moore" <Syksrep159@cs.com>
Subject: Dark Eldar Ally question
Colen, got a minor dilemma for ya. A friend of mine posted this in
Yahoo Clubs.
'According to the Army Builder program, Dark Eldar can Ally with the
following:
A citadel tank called "Shadow," which is a Dark Eldar vehicle (I
think).
Harlequins
A Wych Cult can ally with the same things.'
Now, I may be thinking silly, but I just do not see Harlequins
allying with the buggerers that worship their greatest 'enemy',
Slannesh...
Out of curiosity, where'd you get the info for Allies from?
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:42:03 -0000
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Dark Eldar Ally question
Thats simple.
According to the CJ harlies can ally with anyone.
I feel the AB files have it backwords.
The Harlies should beable to take anyone as allies.
Not anyone take the harlies....
Dwayne
> Colen, got a minor dilemma for ya. A friend of mine posted this in
> Yahoo Clubs.
>
> 'According to the Army Builder program, Dark Eldar can Ally with the
> following:
>
> A citadel tank called "Shadow," which is a Dark Eldar vehicle (I
> think). Harlequins
>
> A Wych Cult can ally with the same things.'
>
>
> Now, I may be thinking silly, but I just do not see Harlequins
> allying with the buggerers that worship their greatest 'enemy',
> Slannesh...
>
> Out of curiosity, where'd you get the info for Allies from?
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 19:36:49 +0100
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Dark Eldar Ally question
At 15:10 07/08/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>Colen, got a minor dilemma for ya. A friend of mine posted this in
>Yahoo Clubs.
>
>'According to the Army Builder program, Dark Eldar can Ally with the
>following:
>
>A citadel tank called "Shadow," which is a Dark Eldar vehicle (I
>think).
>Harlequins
>
>A Wych Cult can ally with the same things.'
>
>
>Now, I may be thinking silly, but I just do not see Harlequins
>allying with the buggerers that worship their greatest 'enemy',
>Slannesh...
>
>Out of curiosity, where'd you get the info for Allies from?
The same place that I got the harlequin army list from - the Citadel Journal.
*ANY* army can ally with Harlequins - it's more the other way around, the
Harlequins happening to turn up at the time the battle's going on. They can
take one unit, which counts as an Elites choice, only, IIRC.
--
Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister, demandred@skrill.org
http://www.skrill.org/, http://www.incompetence-central.co.uk/
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:33:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joseph Prozinski <prozinskij@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dark Eldar Ally question
I believe that a unit of Harlequins can only be taken
if someone is fighting against a Chaos army. They can
show up because they are always trying to destroy
Choas, and no one can ever be sure of when or where
they'll turn up.
Joe
--- Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
wrote:
> At 15:10 07/08/2001 +0000, you wrote:
> >Colen, got a minor dilemma for ya. A friend of mine
> posted this in
> >Yahoo Clubs.
> >
> >'According to the Army Builder program, Dark Eldar
> can Ally with the
> >following:
> >
> >A citadel tank called "Shadow," which is a Dark
> Eldar vehicle (I
> >think).
> >Harlequins
> >
> >A Wych Cult can ally with the same things.'
> >
> >
> >Now, I may be thinking silly, but I just do not see
> Harlequins
> >allying with the buggerers that worship their
> greatest 'enemy',
> >Slannesh...
> >
> >Out of curiosity, where'd you get the info for
> Allies from?
>
> The same place that I got the harlequin army list
> from - the Citadel Journal.
>
> *ANY* army can ally with Harlequins - it's more the
> other way around, the
> Harlequins happening to turn up at the time the
> battle's going on. They can
> take one unit, which counts as an Elites choice,
> only, IIRC.
>
>
> --
> Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister, demandred@skrill.org
> http://www.skrill.org/,
> http://www.incompetence-central.co.uk/
> 1 = 2, for large values of 1.
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:54:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Weaver <m_weave@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dark Eldar Ally question
From a fluff point of view look at it this way.
Commorough (hopefully spelled that right) is located somewhere WITHIN the Eldar Webway. The Harlequins are masters of the Webway. Plus there is existing fluff showing that the Harlequins quite often deal with the DE. Plus as others have stated, its more like the Harlequins choose you as an ally, not the other way actually.
Besides, although the DE and CE don't see eye to eye, they CE don't actively seek to destroy their misguided brethern. Although the DE have no problem with raiding Eldar sites.
Lynn Moore <Syksrep159@cs.com> wrote: Colen, got a minor dilemma for ya. A friend of mine posted this in
Yahoo Clubs.
'According to the Army Builder program, Dark Eldar can Ally with the
following:
A citadel tank called "Shadow," which is a Dark Eldar vehicle (I
think).
Harlequins
A Wych Cult can ally with the same things.'
Now, I may be thinking silly, but I just do not see Harlequins
allying with the buggerers that worship their greatest 'enemy',
Slannesh...
Out of curiosity, where'd you get the info for Allies from?
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:18:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ron Kilby <kilbo98@yahoo.com>
Subject: Battle Sisters
I was running through a new army list when I noted
that the sisters squad can not get a rhino.
I thought I remember reading that there was a fast
attack choice of a normal sisters unit that can ride
in a rhino. Is this true then? Anyone with the C:CA
to verify?
If so its not in the current file.
RK
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 02:46:06 -0000
From: khime@io.com
Subject: Date Stamp?
Maybe I'm just blind, but I cannot seem to locate any kind of option
on the printout options to include a date/time stamp, like date/time
the roster was created, modified, and/or printed. Does this sort of
feature exist in Army Builder? I play a lot of games, and have many
rosters that accumulate in hard copy, and it would be useful for later
battle reports to be able to look at two different 500 point Blood
Angels army printouts and be able to tell which one was from last week
and which one was from last month...
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 02:05:07 EDT
From: freds67@aol.com
Subject: Re: Date Stamp?
I agree. I try to add the date to the army name and file name, but I usually
forget and end up with alot of mystery armies.
Fred
> Maybe I'm just blind, but I cannot seem to locate any kind of option
> on the printout options to include a date/time stamp, like date/time
> the roster was created, modified, and/or printed. Does this sort of
> feature exist in Army Builder? I play a lot of games, and have many
> rosters that accumulate in hard copy, and it would be useful for later
> battle reports to be able to look at two different 500 point Blood
> Angels army printouts and be able to tell which one was from last week
> and which one was from last month...
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 00:43:35 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Wish list
I just got back from GenCon last night and I'm now in catch-up mode. So
that's why this reply took so long.
The notion of putting a stat line onto options simply won't fly. Options
modify things - they don't have any kind of state.
Adding a stat line to items is possible, although I'm going to need a
compelling reason for why child units are not a valid solution. You can
easily attach a child unit, and the child unit can easily have a custom
stat line via "sset". You can also use attributes to control whether the
child unit actually has an impact on the model count for the unit (besides
"coun"). So I don't see a situation wherein child units fail to work. If
you can outline the details of what you're trying to accomplish, I can
either (a) offer useful suggestions on how to solve the problem and/or (b)
see the situation more clearly and understand why you really need a stat
line for items.
Please note that I've already added to the todo list support for hidden
stats for items. These would be a small number (3? 5?) of stats that are
used internally only and never displayed to the user. These stats would be
local to each item and would enable limited calculations and state to be
tracked for each item via tweaks. The values of these special stats could
then be applied to the stats of the parent unit in appropriate ways via tweaks.
As above, please provide justification for why a "ucst" attribute is needed
for items. I'm happy to put things on the todo list if a reasonable case
can be established for why those things are needed.
Thanks, Rob
At 02:42 AM 7/31/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>I would like AB to include an ability to put a stat line onto options
>and/or items.
>
>I could for see this for making stat line for weapons. Such as
>ranges, damage etc. - yes I know you could just write them in the
>description but the stats would be - cleaner - and adjustable with
>other options.
>
>Yes, I also am aware of the "sset" and just asigning the "unit" as a
>weapon, and this is a good second best. But the weapons are then
>counted in the unit- Yes I am aware you can use, "coun-no" but there
>are some instance when that is inconvienent.
>
>well it is just a thought.
>
>i would also like a ucst attribute for Items.
>
>Just some thoughts if you run out of things to do rob!
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 00:58:49 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Timing and the chld attribute, and smap for costs
Sorry this took so long, but I left for GenCon only hours after you posted
this, so I haven't had the chance to look at it yet. Answers are below....
At 10:23 PM 7/30/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>For my GROPOS files, I would like to control an attribute at one level,
>and have that level's children have the attribute at the same level.
>
>In other words, when a platoon is set with a certain attribute at 3, all
>of the members (child units) should also have the same attribute at 3.
>
>Unfortunately, I'm not getting the chld option attribute to work. What
>order (Option category/priority) should these attributes be in?:
>
>add a platoon (child) to the company (parent)
>add a unit(grand-child) to the platoon(child)
>a tabl attribute to modify the stat
>the options the tabl selects from
>an option that calculates a second stat from the first
>the chld options that transfer the two modified stats to the grand-children
>
>Or, am I maybe getting something else wrong?
The "chld" attribute is special in that it queues up the adjustment for
subsequent application to the child units. Therefore, you need to apply the
"chld" attribute BEFORE the child unit is actually processed. This means
that the option with the "chld" attribute must occur first, with the option
having the "unit" attribute occurring second. The net sequence therefore
becomes:
1. Add platoon unit.
2. Process option on platoon with the "tabl" attribute. This inherently
triggers the selected table option to be processed.
3. Process option to calculate second stat based on the table selection.
4. Process option(s) with the "chld" attribute to effect changes on the
child units.
5. Add the child units to the platoon. They should properly inherit the
results of the "chld" attribute.
>Also, I would like to make this sort of map for the cost of a platoon
>vs. an attribute:
>1 (Green) = 28pts
>2 (Regular = 57pts
>3 (Veteran) = 86pts
>4 (Elite) = 129pts
>(and of course the prices vary wildly between units, so I can't set up
>anything universal)
>
>I can of course set up something that will translate a stat into a cost,
>and I think that's the way to get this, but I'm not sure how to get that
>stat to map.
The simplest solution for mapping is to use "xlat". You can have the morale
grade represented by a stat value in the range 1-4 (or 0-3). You can use
"smap" to display this value as the text name, plus you can use "xlat" to
map the stat to the cost. You can then use the "cost" attribute to
calculate the option cost based on the mapped stat value.
>P.S. to save space on my rosters, I'm considering adding the third tier
>(grand-children) via items, so that the user doesn't need to view them
>all the time. Will I still be able to adjust their stat values with the
>chld attribute?
I don't believe that the "chld" attribute will propogate downward into
units attached to items. In addition, the use of items introduces yet
another line into to the display. My gut reaction is that using items in
this way is a less than ideal solution. Please outline the overall model
you are envisioning and I'll give it some thought. I now have the Gropos
book - thanks to the nice folks at AoG - so I can read up on things if you
point me to the appropriate pages.
Thanks, Rob
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 00:59:36 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Printout Options Wishlist
Duly noted.
- Rob
At 09:51 AM 7/31/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>I love the ability to change the fonts in the printouts. I feel that it
>gives extra flavor to my armies. I use the font AlleycatICG for my
>Harlequins and MatisseITC for Chaos. I was wondering how hard it would be
>to save these printout configurations as a seperate file, so I don't have to
>keep changing them one at a time. I would think that it would be pretty
>easy. Just a simple "Save Configuration As..." button is all I'm asking
>for.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Matt
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 01:05:20 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Gear Krieg AB Files
Just an FYI. I've been working hard on GK data files over the last few
months. I showed the prototype files to the guys at DP9 while at GenCon and
they loved them, so those files will likely be getting finished up in the
upcoming weeks. There is no need for us to duplicate effort on this. If
you'd like to help out, please contact me directly and we can collaborate
on the effort.
Stay tuned for the release of official GK data files.
Thanks, Rob
At 07:22 PM 7/31/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Piliminary Gear krig files - still very rough but I thought getting them
>out might help others
>
>
>http://www.geocities.com/khrk2012/index.html
>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 01:07:38 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Armies of Arcana
I have made two abortive efforts to get AoA files created, but they never
got far before I was derailed onto another critical task. Please dive into
this project, as I'd love to see the files created. If you have any
questions or would like assistance on anything, please let me know and I'll
do my best to help out in any way I can.
Thanks, Rob
At 05:23 PM 8/4/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>Do the support files for Armies of Arcana exist? Before I started to
>work on the support files for this game, I wanted to ask arounf
>first. I checked the web site but it says something like available
>in 2000 or something like that.
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>Joe
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 01:10:07 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Date Stamp?
Duly noted and added to the todo list.
- Rob
At 02:05 AM 8/8/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>I agree. I try to add the date to the army name and file name, but I usually
>forget and end up with alot of mystery armies.
>
>Fred
>
>
> > Maybe I'm just blind, but I cannot seem to locate any kind of option
> > on the printout options to include a date/time stamp, like date/time
> > the roster was created, modified, and/or printed. Does this sort of
> > feature exist in Army Builder? I play a lot of games, and have many
> > rosters that accumulate in hard copy, and it would be useful for later
> > battle reports to be able to look at two different 500 point Blood
> > Angels army printouts and be able to tell which one was from last week
> > and which one was from last month...
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 08:09:56 -0000
From: ice_age@hotmail.com
Subject: Thousand Son Terminator errors
Hi there.
According to the CA book, 1K Sons termies have two wounds, but with
AB 2.2a and the 2.30 datafiles they only have one. This comes up
whether I have a Daemon Prince or Exalted Champion, and whether I
count them as troops or not.
In addition, I can make any KSon termie in AB an Aspiring Champion,
but Thousand Sons termies can't have Aspiring Champions in CA.
It says you're allowed to designate one KSons termie that is in a
retinue an Icon Bearer and equip him with a Blasted Standard, but I'm
unable to do this.
Finally, the KSons termies are 10 points too much at 56 points each:
the CA book says 46 points each.
Hope I'm not wasting your time by missing something obvious that
would explain these. If so, you may lash me with the wet noodle of
punishment. Thanks for your work.
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:48:44 +0200
From: "Niels Peter Gibe" <np@tagarno.dk>
Subject: SV: Battle Sisters Colen please read.
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Fra: Ron Kilby [mailto:kilbo98@yahoo.com]
Sendt: 7. august 2001 23:18
Til: armybuilder@yahoogroups.com
Emne: [AB] Battle Sisters
>I was running through a new army list when I noted
>that the sisters squad can not get a rhino.
>I thought I remember reading that there was a fast
>attack choice of a normal sisters unit that can ride
>in a rhino. Is this true then? Anyone with the C:CA
>to verify?
>If so its not in the current file.
Cut from Colen's mail from 1/8-2001:
>Hah. Someone emailed me saying "Why can you take Battle Sisters as Fast
>Attack, you incompetent." I looked at the description of the Battle
>Sisters, and it didn't say anything about Fast Attack, so I thought "Must
>be a duplicate" and hid it. Of course, if you look in the Fast Attack
>section, it repeats the whole damn unit again, but with a Rhino. Good work,
>GW!$&&* *Frown
>
>It shall be re-appearing, but in a slightly different way
I also have a question to the sisters list regarding the 'Brazier of holy fire':
It seems to me, that it is an error that if a character, say a Veteran sister or Missionary, takes the Brazier, he/she gets an additional attack.
Eg. a Missionary with a Bolter has 3 attacks on the profile. Giving him the brazier gives him a attack stat of 3/4. As I see it, he will not get the additional attack before he drops the bolter and takes somekind of single handed CC weapon/pistol.
Btw: wouldn't it be possible for a character to take two braziers? It is listet as a Single handed CC weapon in the codex, it is not uniqe and I don't see any rules forbidding you to take two of them, just like you could take two bolt pistols - which BTW also isn't possible in the AB files. (I know that neither would be the smartest thing to do - but it is legal and therefore it should be possible).
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Topics in this digest:
1. Dark Eldar Ally question
From: "Lynn Moore" <Syksrep159@cs.com>
2. Re: Dark Eldar Ally question
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
3. Re: Dark Eldar Ally question
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
4. Re: Dark Eldar Ally question
From: Joseph Prozinski <prozinskij@yahoo.com>
5. Re: Dark Eldar Ally question
From: Matthew Weaver <m_weave@yahoo.com>
6. Battle Sisters
From: Ron Kilby <kilbo98@yahoo.com>
7. Date Stamp?
From: khime@io.com
8. Re: Date Stamp?
From: freds67@aol.com
9. Re: Wish list
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
10. Re: Timing and the chld attribute, and smap for costs
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
11. Re: Printout Options Wishlist
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
12. Re: Gear Krieg AB Files
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
13. Re: Armies of Arcana
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
14. Re: Date Stamp?
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
15. Thousand Son Terminator errors
From: ice_age@hotmail.com
16. SV: Battle Sisters Colen please read.
From: "Niels Peter Gibe" <np@tagarno.dk>
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:10:13 -0000
From: "Lynn Moore" <Syksrep159@cs.com>
Subject: Dark Eldar Ally question
Colen, got a minor dilemma for ya. A friend of mine posted this in
Yahoo Clubs.
'According to the Army Builder program, Dark Eldar can Ally with the
following:
A citadel tank called "Shadow," which is a Dark Eldar vehicle (I
think).
Harlequins
A Wych Cult can ally with the same things.'
Now, I may be thinking silly, but I just do not see Harlequins
allying with the buggerers that worship their greatest 'enemy',
Slannesh...
Out of curiosity, where'd you get the info for Allies from?
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:42:03 -0000
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Dark Eldar Ally question
Thats simple.
According to the CJ harlies can ally with anyone.
I feel the AB files have it backwords.
The Harlies should beable to take anyone as allies.
Not anyone take the harlies....
Dwayne
> Colen, got a minor dilemma for ya. A friend of mine posted this in
> Yahoo Clubs.
>
> 'According to the Army Builder program, Dark Eldar can Ally with the
> following:
>
> A citadel tank called "Shadow," which is a Dark Eldar vehicle (I
> think). Harlequins
>
> A Wych Cult can ally with the same things.'
>
>
> Now, I may be thinking silly, but I just do not see Harlequins
> allying with the buggerers that worship their greatest 'enemy',
> Slannesh...
>
> Out of curiosity, where'd you get the info for Allies from?
>
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 19:36:49 +0100
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Dark Eldar Ally question
At 15:10 07/08/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>Colen, got a minor dilemma for ya. A friend of mine posted this in
>Yahoo Clubs.
>
>'According to the Army Builder program, Dark Eldar can Ally with the
>following:
>
>A citadel tank called "Shadow," which is a Dark Eldar vehicle (I
>think).
>Harlequins
>
>A Wych Cult can ally with the same things.'
>
>
>Now, I may be thinking silly, but I just do not see Harlequins
>allying with the buggerers that worship their greatest 'enemy',
>Slannesh...
>
>Out of curiosity, where'd you get the info for Allies from?
The same place that I got the harlequin army list from - the Citadel Journal.
*ANY* army can ally with Harlequins - it's more the other way around, the
Harlequins happening to turn up at the time the battle's going on. They can
take one unit, which counts as an Elites choice, only, IIRC.
--
Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister, demandred@skrill.org
http://www.skrill.org/, http://www.incompetence-central.co.uk/
1 = 2, for large values of 1.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:33:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joseph Prozinski <prozinskij@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dark Eldar Ally question
I believe that a unit of Harlequins can only be taken
if someone is fighting against a Chaos army. They can
show up because they are always trying to destroy
Choas, and no one can ever be sure of when or where
they'll turn up.
Joe
--- Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
wrote:
> At 15:10 07/08/2001 +0000, you wrote:
> >Colen, got a minor dilemma for ya. A friend of mine
> posted this in
> >Yahoo Clubs.
> >
> >'According to the Army Builder program, Dark Eldar
> can Ally with the
> >following:
> >
> >A citadel tank called "Shadow," which is a Dark
> Eldar vehicle (I
> >think).
> >Harlequins
> >
> >A Wych Cult can ally with the same things.'
> >
> >
> >Now, I may be thinking silly, but I just do not see
> Harlequins
> >allying with the buggerers that worship their
> greatest 'enemy',
> >Slannesh...
> >
> >Out of curiosity, where'd you get the info for
> Allies from?
>
> The same place that I got the harlequin army list
> from - the Citadel Journal.
>
> *ANY* army can ally with Harlequins - it's more the
> other way around, the
> Harlequins happening to turn up at the time the
> battle's going on. They can
> take one unit, which counts as an Elites choice,
> only, IIRC.
>
>
> --
> Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister, demandred@skrill.org
> http://www.skrill.org/,
> http://www.incompetence-central.co.uk/
> 1 = 2, for large values of 1.
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:54:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Weaver <m_weave@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dark Eldar Ally question
From a fluff point of view look at it this way.
Commorough (hopefully spelled that right) is located somewhere WITHIN the Eldar Webway. The Harlequins are masters of the Webway. Plus there is existing fluff showing that the Harlequins quite often deal with the DE. Plus as others have stated, its more like the Harlequins choose you as an ally, not the other way actually.
Besides, although the DE and CE don't see eye to eye, they CE don't actively seek to destroy their misguided brethern. Although the DE have no problem with raiding Eldar sites.
Lynn Moore <Syksrep159@cs.com> wrote: Colen, got a minor dilemma for ya. A friend of mine posted this in
Yahoo Clubs.
'According to the Army Builder program, Dark Eldar can Ally with the
following:
A citadel tank called "Shadow," which is a Dark Eldar vehicle (I
think).
Harlequins
A Wych Cult can ally with the same things.'
Now, I may be thinking silly, but I just do not see Harlequins
allying with the buggerers that worship their greatest 'enemy',
Slannesh...
Out of curiosity, where'd you get the info for Allies from?
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:18:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ron Kilby <kilbo98@yahoo.com>
Subject: Battle Sisters
I was running through a new army list when I noted
that the sisters squad can not get a rhino.
I thought I remember reading that there was a fast
attack choice of a normal sisters unit that can ride
in a rhino. Is this true then? Anyone with the C:CA
to verify?
If so its not in the current file.
RK
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 02:46:06 -0000
From: khime@io.com
Subject: Date Stamp?
Maybe I'm just blind, but I cannot seem to locate any kind of option
on the printout options to include a date/time stamp, like date/time
the roster was created, modified, and/or printed. Does this sort of
feature exist in Army Builder? I play a lot of games, and have many
rosters that accumulate in hard copy, and it would be useful for later
battle reports to be able to look at two different 500 point Blood
Angels army printouts and be able to tell which one was from last week
and which one was from last month...
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 02:05:07 EDT
From: freds67@aol.com
Subject: Re: Date Stamp?
I agree. I try to add the date to the army name and file name, but I usually
forget and end up with alot of mystery armies.
Fred
> Maybe I'm just blind, but I cannot seem to locate any kind of option
> on the printout options to include a date/time stamp, like date/time
> the roster was created, modified, and/or printed. Does this sort of
> feature exist in Army Builder? I play a lot of games, and have many
> rosters that accumulate in hard copy, and it would be useful for later
> battle reports to be able to look at two different 500 point Blood
> Angels army printouts and be able to tell which one was from last week
> and which one was from last month...
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 00:43:35 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Wish list
I just got back from GenCon last night and I'm now in catch-up mode. So
that's why this reply took so long.
The notion of putting a stat line onto options simply won't fly. Options
modify things - they don't have any kind of state.
Adding a stat line to items is possible, although I'm going to need a
compelling reason for why child units are not a valid solution. You can
easily attach a child unit, and the child unit can easily have a custom
stat line via "sset". You can also use attributes to control whether the
child unit actually has an impact on the model count for the unit (besides
"coun"). So I don't see a situation wherein child units fail to work. If
you can outline the details of what you're trying to accomplish, I can
either (a) offer useful suggestions on how to solve the problem and/or (b)
see the situation more clearly and understand why you really need a stat
line for items.
Please note that I've already added to the todo list support for hidden
stats for items. These would be a small number (3? 5?) of stats that are
used internally only and never displayed to the user. These stats would be
local to each item and would enable limited calculations and state to be
tracked for each item via tweaks. The values of these special stats could
then be applied to the stats of the parent unit in appropriate ways via tweaks.
As above, please provide justification for why a "ucst" attribute is needed
for items. I'm happy to put things on the todo list if a reasonable case
can be established for why those things are needed.
Thanks, Rob
At 02:42 AM 7/31/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>I would like AB to include an ability to put a stat line onto options
>and/or items.
>
>I could for see this for making stat line for weapons. Such as
>ranges, damage etc. - yes I know you could just write them in the
>description but the stats would be - cleaner - and adjustable with
>other options.
>
>Yes, I also am aware of the "sset" and just asigning the "unit" as a
>weapon, and this is a good second best. But the weapons are then
>counted in the unit- Yes I am aware you can use, "coun-no" but there
>are some instance when that is inconvienent.
>
>well it is just a thought.
>
>i would also like a ucst attribute for Items.
>
>Just some thoughts if you run out of things to do rob!
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 00:58:49 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Timing and the chld attribute, and smap for costs
Sorry this took so long, but I left for GenCon only hours after you posted
this, so I haven't had the chance to look at it yet. Answers are below....
At 10:23 PM 7/30/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>For my GROPOS files, I would like to control an attribute at one level,
>and have that level's children have the attribute at the same level.
>
>In other words, when a platoon is set with a certain attribute at 3, all
>of the members (child units) should also have the same attribute at 3.
>
>Unfortunately, I'm not getting the chld option attribute to work. What
>order (Option category/priority) should these attributes be in?:
>
>add a platoon (child) to the company (parent)
>add a unit(grand-child) to the platoon(child)
>a tabl attribute to modify the stat
>the options the tabl selects from
>an option that calculates a second stat from the first
>the chld options that transfer the two modified stats to the grand-children
>
>Or, am I maybe getting something else wrong?
The "chld" attribute is special in that it queues up the adjustment for
subsequent application to the child units. Therefore, you need to apply the
"chld" attribute BEFORE the child unit is actually processed. This means
that the option with the "chld" attribute must occur first, with the option
having the "unit" attribute occurring second. The net sequence therefore
becomes:
1. Add platoon unit.
2. Process option on platoon with the "tabl" attribute. This inherently
triggers the selected table option to be processed.
3. Process option to calculate second stat based on the table selection.
4. Process option(s) with the "chld" attribute to effect changes on the
child units.
5. Add the child units to the platoon. They should properly inherit the
results of the "chld" attribute.
>Also, I would like to make this sort of map for the cost of a platoon
>vs. an attribute:
>1 (Green) = 28pts
>2 (Regular = 57pts
>3 (Veteran) = 86pts
>4 (Elite) = 129pts
>(and of course the prices vary wildly between units, so I can't set up
>anything universal)
>
>I can of course set up something that will translate a stat into a cost,
>and I think that's the way to get this, but I'm not sure how to get that
>stat to map.
The simplest solution for mapping is to use "xlat". You can have the morale
grade represented by a stat value in the range 1-4 (or 0-3). You can use
"smap" to display this value as the text name, plus you can use "xlat" to
map the stat to the cost. You can then use the "cost" attribute to
calculate the option cost based on the mapped stat value.
>P.S. to save space on my rosters, I'm considering adding the third tier
>(grand-children) via items, so that the user doesn't need to view them
>all the time. Will I still be able to adjust their stat values with the
>chld attribute?
I don't believe that the "chld" attribute will propogate downward into
units attached to items. In addition, the use of items introduces yet
another line into to the display. My gut reaction is that using items in
this way is a less than ideal solution. Please outline the overall model
you are envisioning and I'll give it some thought. I now have the Gropos
book - thanks to the nice folks at AoG - so I can read up on things if you
point me to the appropriate pages.
Thanks, Rob
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 00:59:36 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Printout Options Wishlist
Duly noted.
- Rob
At 09:51 AM 7/31/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>I love the ability to change the fonts in the printouts. I feel that it
>gives extra flavor to my armies. I use the font AlleycatICG for my
>Harlequins and MatisseITC for Chaos. I was wondering how hard it would be
>to save these printout configurations as a seperate file, so I don't have to
>keep changing them one at a time. I would think that it would be pretty
>easy. Just a simple "Save Configuration As..." button is all I'm asking
>for.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Matt
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 01:05:20 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Gear Krieg AB Files
Just an FYI. I've been working hard on GK data files over the last few
months. I showed the prototype files to the guys at DP9 while at GenCon and
they loved them, so those files will likely be getting finished up in the
upcoming weeks. There is no need for us to duplicate effort on this. If
you'd like to help out, please contact me directly and we can collaborate
on the effort.
Stay tuned for the release of official GK data files.
Thanks, Rob
At 07:22 PM 7/31/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Piliminary Gear krig files - still very rough but I thought getting them
>out might help others
>
>
>http://www.geocities.com/khrk2012/index.html
>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 01:07:38 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Armies of Arcana
I have made two abortive efforts to get AoA files created, but they never
got far before I was derailed onto another critical task. Please dive into
this project, as I'd love to see the files created. If you have any
questions or would like assistance on anything, please let me know and I'll
do my best to help out in any way I can.
Thanks, Rob
At 05:23 PM 8/4/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>Do the support files for Armies of Arcana exist? Before I started to
>work on the support files for this game, I wanted to ask arounf
>first. I checked the web site but it says something like available
>in 2000 or something like that.
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>Joe
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 01:10:07 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Date Stamp?
Duly noted and added to the todo list.
- Rob
At 02:05 AM 8/8/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>I agree. I try to add the date to the army name and file name, but I usually
>forget and end up with alot of mystery armies.
>
>Fred
>
>
> > Maybe I'm just blind, but I cannot seem to locate any kind of option
> > on the printout options to include a date/time stamp, like date/time
> > the roster was created, modified, and/or printed. Does this sort of
> > feature exist in Army Builder? I play a lot of games, and have many
> > rosters that accumulate in hard copy, and it would be useful for later
> > battle reports to be able to look at two different 500 point Blood
> > Angels army printouts and be able to tell which one was from last week
> > and which one was from last month...
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 08:09:56 -0000
From: ice_age@hotmail.com
Subject: Thousand Son Terminator errors
Hi there.
According to the CA book, 1K Sons termies have two wounds, but with
AB 2.2a and the 2.30 datafiles they only have one. This comes up
whether I have a Daemon Prince or Exalted Champion, and whether I
count them as troops or not.
In addition, I can make any KSon termie in AB an Aspiring Champion,
but Thousand Sons termies can't have Aspiring Champions in CA.
It says you're allowed to designate one KSons termie that is in a
retinue an Icon Bearer and equip him with a Blasted Standard, but I'm
unable to do this.
Finally, the KSons termies are 10 points too much at 56 points each:
the CA book says 46 points each.
Hope I'm not wasting your time by missing something obvious that
would explain these. If so, you may lash me with the wet noodle of
punishment. Thanks for your work.
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:48:44 +0200
From: "Niels Peter Gibe" <np@tagarno.dk>
Subject: SV: Battle Sisters Colen please read.
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Ron Kilby [mailto:kilbo98@yahoo.com]
Sendt: 7. august 2001 23:18
Til: armybuilder@yahoogroups.com
Emne: [AB] Battle Sisters
>I was running through a new army list when I noted
>that the sisters squad can not get a rhino.
>I thought I remember reading that there was a fast
>attack choice of a normal sisters unit that can ride
>in a rhino. Is this true then? Anyone with the C:CA
>to verify?
>If so its not in the current file.
Cut from Colen's mail from 1/8-2001:
>Hah. Someone emailed me saying "Why can you take Battle Sisters as Fast
>Attack, you incompetent." I looked at the description of the Battle
>Sisters, and it didn't say anything about Fast Attack, so I thought "Must
>be a duplicate" and hid it. Of course, if you look in the Fast Attack
>section, it repeats the whole damn unit again, but with a Rhino. Good work,
>GW!$&&* *Frown
>
>It shall be re-appearing, but in a slightly different way
I also have a question to the sisters list regarding the 'Brazier of holy fire':
It seems to me, that it is an error that if a character, say a Veteran sister or Missionary, takes the Brazier, he/she gets an additional attack.
Eg. a Missionary with a Bolter has 3 attacks on the profile. Giving him the brazier gives him a attack stat of 3/4. As I see it, he will not get the additional attack before he drops the bolter and takes somekind of single handed CC weapon/pistol.
Btw: wouldn't it be possible for a character to take two braziers? It is listet as a Single handed CC weapon in the codex, it is not uniqe and I don't see any rules forbidding you to take two of them, just like you could take two bolt pistols - which BTW also isn't possible in the AB files. (I know that neither would be the smartest thing to do - but it is legal and therefore it should be possible).
Niels Peter Gibe
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