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There are 14 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Amended Catachans Email
From: "xeno" <xeno@optusnet.com.au>
2. Re: Catachans
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
3. Re: Amended Catachans Email
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
4. Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
From: quester <quester666@yahoo.com>
5. Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
From: "Mathias Schreiber" <schreiber@freek-inc.com>
6. VOID Files - Anyone making a Version for VOID
From: tcrandall@pec.com
7. Re: VOID Files - Anyone making a Version for VOID
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
8. Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
From: "Kevin McKibben" <timaro99@foxinternet.net>
9. Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
From: "Mathias Schreiber" <schreiber@freek-inc.com>
10. Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@air.on.ca>
11. Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
From: quester <quester666@yahoo.com>
12. RE: Void files
From: fotto@bellsouth.net
13. Dark Eldar Campaign Tracker
From: "DiPonio" <DiPonio@voyager.net>
14. Space Puppies question
From: trent <felix@medford.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:31:48 +1000
From: "xeno" <xeno@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Amended Catachans Email
ok i now have an edited datafile with everything edited and fixed that i
listed in my last email.
Colin do you want me to send it to you?
Xeno
"Is this a bug hunt or a stand-up fight sir?"
"The xenomporph may be involved"
"It's a bug hunt"
xeno@optusnet.com.au
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:04:50 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Catachans
One fine day in the middle of the night, xeno <xeno@optusnet.com.au> got
up to write:
>hello
>
>just a few thinks ill like to comment on:
>
>in the catachan data files.. sly marbo is still counted as a HQ,
No he's not... could you confirm you're using the latest files (White)?
>he needs
>the commander association changed to officer, also when u add him to a
>pre-existing snipers unit, he needs to count as one of them since he
>replaces one, so if u did add him, the unit would look like:
>2 x snipers
>sly marbo , in their maximum numbers.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
>also, from an email from games workshop.. if u take col iron hand stracken
>and take catachan devils as troops, they now obey the troops limit of 2 - 5
>per platoon instead of the 0 - 1 which is only for when u take them as
>elites.
Right.
>also, some how the limit of the deathworld sentinels need to incorporate
>both the option added sentinels and the + / - added sentinels. i myself have
>edited it so i can only add via the + / - cos i make all my sentinels the
>same.. otherwise u can have 5 sentinels in a squad which isnt legal ;]
Aargh, I forgot about that one too
I'll get them all fixed in the next version. Thanks for the reports!
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:06:17 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Amended Catachans Email
One fine day in the middle of the night, xeno <xeno@optusnet.com.au> got
up to write:
>ok i now have an edited datafile with everything edited and fixed that i
>listed in my last email.
>
>Colin do you want me to send it to you?
No, thanks, I prefer to keep all my own stuff in case silly things
happen (like they used to with my old computer), which resulted in me
not being able to unlock my old datafiles.
--
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Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today!
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 06:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: quester <quester666@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
what armys do you want
i can send you all of them if you want
Q...
--- Mathias Schreiber <schreiber@freek-inc.com> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> if anyone owns the codices from the 2nd Edition of
> 40k, please scan the armylist pages and mail them to
> me, so I can finish the international files.
>
> Thank you all in advance
> Mathias
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:22:13 +0200
From: "Mathias Schreiber" <schreiber@freek-inc.com>
Subject: Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
> what armys do you want
> i can send you all of them if you want
All would be cool ;-)
I can finish the files very soon then.
I hope that the english armylists aren´t too different from the german
one´s.
Greetings and thank you
Mathias
(btw, i could simply give you an account on my server, then you could do it
via FTP)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 6
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:32:22 -0000
From: tcrandall@pec.com
Subject: VOID Files - Anyone making a Version for VOID
Looking for an Army Builder VOID file
________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:25:49 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: VOID Files - Anyone making a Version for VOID
One fine day in the middle of the night, tcrandall@pec.com got up to
write:
>Looking for an Army Builder VOID file
I'm waiting for the designers to officially 'OK' it's public release...
it's ready and waiting, though.
--
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:50:17 -0700
From: "Kevin McKibben" <timaro99@foxinternet.net>
Subject: Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
I would also be intrested in the 40k Second edition datafiles. Do you have
a site where I can download them? If not you can email them to me at
Timaro99@foxinternet.net. Let me know. Thanks
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: Mathias Schreiber <schreiber@freek-inc.com>
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AB] 40k 2nd Edition Files
>> what armys do you want
>> i can send you all of them if you want
>
>All would be cool ;-)
>
>I can finish the files very soon then.
>I hope that the english armylists aren´t too different from the german
>one´s.
>
>
>Greetings and thank you
>Mathias
>
>(btw, i could simply give you an account on my server, then you could do it
>via FTP)
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:15:10 +0200
From: "Mathias Schreiber" <schreiber@freek-inc.com>
Subject: Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
as I already said in my former postings...
You mail me the armylists, I do the codices
Read the NG, then post (I had to learn it this way too
Greets Mathias
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:31:53 -0400
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
Ditto please. You can pick an address.
Toller Madsen
tmadsen@air.on.ca
toller@hillcity-comics.com
tmadsen@microage-tb.com
jolinar@startrekmail.com
"No I don't have enough e-mail addresses"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin McKibben" <timaro99@foxinternet.net>
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AB] 40k 2nd Edition Files
> I would also be intrested in the 40k Second edition datafiles. Do you
have
> a site where I can download them? If not you can email them to me at
> Timaro99@foxinternet.net. Let me know. Thanks
>
> Kevin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mathias Schreiber <schreiber@freek-inc.com>
> To: armybuilder@egroups.com <armybuilder@egroups.com>
> Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 6:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [AB] 40k 2nd Edition Files
>
>
> >> what armys do you want
> >> i can send you all of them if you want
> >
> >All would be cool ;-)
> >
> >I can finish the files very soon then.
> >I hope that the english armylists aren´t too different from the german
> >one´s.
> >
> >
> >Greetings and thank you
> >Mathias
> >
> >(btw, i could simply give you an account on my server, then you could do
it
> >via FTP)
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: quester <quester666@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
i ll get the books togther and start asap
becouse i have been lookin for the lists for AB for
some time
Q...
--- Mathias Schreiber <schreiber@freek-inc.com> wrote:
> > what armys do you want
> > i can send you all of them if you want
>
> All would be cool ;-)
>
> I can finish the files very soon then.
> I hope that the english armylists aren´t too
> different from the german
> one´s.
>
>
> Greetings and thank you
> Mathias
>
> (btw, i could simply give you an account on my
> server, then you could do it
> via FTP)
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 01:01:28 -0000
From: fotto@bellsouth.net
Subject: RE: Void files
How do you handle the rule about individuals joining squads, do they
still take an individual slot in the army selection?
waiting impatiently for those files..
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:30:09 -0700
From: "DiPonio" <DiPonio@voyager.net>
Subject: Dark Eldar Campaign Tracker
Greetings All,
Just noticed that the Dark Eldar seem to be the only race that is unable to
select Campaign Tracker from the scenarios list...was this intentional? Am
I missing something?
Thanks allot,
TP
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:41:11 -0700
From: trent <felix@medford.net>
Subject: Space Puppies question
In the 'White' pattern files, using the Space Wolves w/ Wolf Guard is the
first Wolf Guard (bodyguard) supposed to cost 100 points, or is that a typo?
trent
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There are 14 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Amended Catachans Email
From: "xeno" <xeno@optusnet.com.au>
2. Re: Catachans
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
3. Re: Amended Catachans Email
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
4. Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
From: quester <quester666@yahoo.com>
5. Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
From: "Mathias Schreiber" <schreiber@freek-inc.com>
6. VOID Files - Anyone making a Version for VOID
From: tcrandall@pec.com
7. Re: VOID Files - Anyone making a Version for VOID
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
8. Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
From: "Kevin McKibben" <timaro99@foxinternet.net>
9. Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
From: "Mathias Schreiber" <schreiber@freek-inc.com>
10. Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@air.on.ca>
11. Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
From: quester <quester666@yahoo.com>
12. RE: Void files
From: fotto@bellsouth.net
13. Dark Eldar Campaign Tracker
From: "DiPonio" <DiPonio@voyager.net>
14. Space Puppies question
From: trent <felix@medford.net>
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:31:48 +1000
From: "xeno" <xeno@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Amended Catachans Email
ok i now have an edited datafile with everything edited and fixed that i
listed in my last email.
Colin do you want me to send it to you?
Xeno
"Is this a bug hunt or a stand-up fight sir?"
"The xenomporph may be involved"
"It's a bug hunt"
xeno@optusnet.com.au
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:04:50 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Catachans
One fine day in the middle of the night, xeno <xeno@optusnet.com.au> got
up to write:
>hello
>
>just a few thinks ill like to comment on:
>
>in the catachan data files.. sly marbo is still counted as a HQ,
No he's not... could you confirm you're using the latest files (White)?
>he needs
>the commander association changed to officer, also when u add him to a
>pre-existing snipers unit, he needs to count as one of them since he
>replaces one, so if u did add him, the unit would look like:
>2 x snipers
>sly marbo , in their maximum numbers.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
>also, from an email from games workshop.. if u take col iron hand stracken
>and take catachan devils as troops, they now obey the troops limit of 2 - 5
>per platoon instead of the 0 - 1 which is only for when u take them as
>elites.
Right.
>also, some how the limit of the deathworld sentinels need to incorporate
>both the option added sentinels and the + / - added sentinels. i myself have
>edited it so i can only add via the + / - cos i make all my sentinels the
>same.. otherwise u can have 5 sentinels in a squad which isnt legal ;]
Aargh, I forgot about that one too
I'll get them all fixed in the next version. Thanks for the reports!
--
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Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today!
-----------------------------+------------------------------------
"Dovie'andi se tovya sagain" - Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 3
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:06:17 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Amended Catachans Email
One fine day in the middle of the night, xeno <xeno@optusnet.com.au> got
up to write:
>ok i now have an edited datafile with everything edited and fixed that i
>listed in my last email.
>
>Colin do you want me to send it to you?
No, thanks, I prefer to keep all my own stuff in case silly things
happen (like they used to with my old computer), which resulted in me
not being able to unlock my old datafiles.
--
'Not Colin' McAlister - License to Skrill
Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today!
-----------------------------+------------------------------------
"Dovie'andi se tovya sagain" - Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 4
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 06:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: quester <quester666@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
what armys do you want
i can send you all of them if you want
Q...
--- Mathias Schreiber <schreiber@freek-inc.com> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> if anyone owns the codices from the 2nd Edition of
> 40k, please scan the armylist pages and mail them to
> me, so I can finish the international files.
>
> Thank you all in advance
> Mathias
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:22:13 +0200
From: "Mathias Schreiber" <schreiber@freek-inc.com>
Subject: Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
> what armys do you want
> i can send you all of them if you want
All would be cool ;-)
I can finish the files very soon then.
I hope that the english armylists aren´t too different from the german
one´s.
Greetings and thank you
Mathias
(btw, i could simply give you an account on my server, then you could do it
via FTP)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 6
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:32:22 -0000
From: tcrandall@pec.com
Subject: VOID Files - Anyone making a Version for VOID
Looking for an Army Builder VOID file
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 7
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:25:49 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: VOID Files - Anyone making a Version for VOID
One fine day in the middle of the night, tcrandall@pec.com got up to
write:
>Looking for an Army Builder VOID file
I'm waiting for the designers to officially 'OK' it's public release...
it's ready and waiting, though.
--
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Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today!
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:50:17 -0700
From: "Kevin McKibben" <timaro99@foxinternet.net>
Subject: Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
I would also be intrested in the 40k Second edition datafiles. Do you have
a site where I can download them? If not you can email them to me at
Timaro99@foxinternet.net. Let me know. Thanks
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: Mathias Schreiber <schreiber@freek-inc.com>
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AB] 40k 2nd Edition Files
>> what armys do you want
>> i can send you all of them if you want
>
>All would be cool ;-)
>
>I can finish the files very soon then.
>I hope that the english armylists aren´t too different from the german
>one´s.
>
>
>Greetings and thank you
>Mathias
>
>(btw, i could simply give you an account on my server, then you could do it
>via FTP)
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:
>http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/3/_/36190/_/959001673/
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, email
>
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>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:15:10 +0200
From: "Mathias Schreiber" <schreiber@freek-inc.com>
Subject: Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
as I already said in my former postings...
You mail me the armylists, I do the codices
Read the NG, then post (I had to learn it this way too
Greets Mathias
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 10
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:31:53 -0400
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
Ditto please. You can pick an address.
Toller Madsen
tmadsen@air.on.ca
toller@hillcity-comics.com
tmadsen@microage-tb.com
jolinar@startrekmail.com
"No I don't have enough e-mail addresses"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin McKibben" <timaro99@foxinternet.net>
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AB] 40k 2nd Edition Files
> I would also be intrested in the 40k Second edition datafiles. Do you
have
> a site where I can download them? If not you can email them to me at
> Timaro99@foxinternet.net. Let me know. Thanks
>
> Kevin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mathias Schreiber <schreiber@freek-inc.com>
> To: armybuilder@egroups.com <armybuilder@egroups.com>
> Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 6:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [AB] 40k 2nd Edition Files
>
>
> >> what armys do you want
> >> i can send you all of them if you want
> >
> >All would be cool ;-)
> >
> >I can finish the files very soon then.
> >I hope that the english armylists aren´t too different from the german
> >one´s.
> >
> >
> >Greetings and thank you
> >Mathias
> >
> >(btw, i could simply give you an account on my server, then you could do
it
> >via FTP)
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:
> >http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/3/_/36190/_/959001673/
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, email
> >
> >armybuilder-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Remember the good 'ol days
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/3/_/36190/_/959031997/
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: quester <quester666@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 40k 2nd Edition Files
i ll get the books togther and start asap
becouse i have been lookin for the lists for AB for
some time
Q...
--- Mathias Schreiber <schreiber@freek-inc.com> wrote:
> > what armys do you want
> > i can send you all of them if you want
>
> All would be cool ;-)
>
> I can finish the files very soon then.
> I hope that the english armylists aren´t too
> different from the german
> one´s.
>
>
> Greetings and thank you
> Mathias
>
> (btw, i could simply give you an account on my
> server, then you could do it
> via FTP)
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 01:01:28 -0000
From: fotto@bellsouth.net
Subject: RE: Void files
How do you handle the rule about individuals joining squads, do they
still take an individual slot in the army selection?
waiting impatiently for those files..
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 13
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:30:09 -0700
From: "DiPonio" <DiPonio@voyager.net>
Subject: Dark Eldar Campaign Tracker
Greetings All,
Just noticed that the Dark Eldar seem to be the only race that is unable to
select Campaign Tracker from the scenarios list...was this intentional? Am
I missing something?
Thanks allot,
TP
[This message contained attachments]
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 14
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:41:11 -0700
From: trent <felix@medford.net>
Subject: Space Puppies question
In the 'White' pattern files, using the Space Wolves w/ Wolf Guard is the
first Wolf Guard (bodyguard) supposed to cost 100 points, or is that a typo?
trent
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________