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There are 18 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Army Builder on Linux
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
2. Mordheim DataFiles
From: "Manuel Pombeiro" <firepigeon@bigfoot.com>
3. Re: AB files for Shako
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
4. Re: No chaos spikey bits for termies???
From: "Jimi" <james.tubman@blueyonder.co.uk>
5. Re: asking about a background option
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
6. Re: Army Builder on Linux
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
7. Re: Army Builder on Linux
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
8. Tyranid AB file error
From: stevenjcox@cableinet.co.uk
9. Re: asking about a background option
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
10. Re: No chaos spikey bits for termies???
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
11. Re: Army Builder on Linux
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
12. SV: Army Builder on Linux
From: "TAGARNO A/S - Niels Peter Gibe" <np@tagarno.dk>
13. Re: No chaos spikey bits for termies???
From: "Guy McLean" <mclean@filtec.com>
14. Re: Army Builder on Linux
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
15. Re: Army Builder on Linux
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
16. Re: Army Builder on Linux
From: "Alex Morano" <amorano@bworks.com>
17. Re: Army Builder on Linux
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
18. Re: SV: Army Builder on Linux
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 03:13:05 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Army Builder on Linux
At 10:51 AM 3/8/01 -0800, you wrote:
>Never, ever assume something's written in VB...
Unless it's installation program is more than 15MB (and that's fully
compressed). Then it's a good bet the product was written in VB.
>I believe Rob uses Borland C++.
Actually it's a hybrid. I use MSVC for AB itself. I use C++Builder for
ABCreator. I prefer VC's debugger (I *HATE* everything else about VC), so I
use VC for the full product. However, C++Builder has an excellent framework
for quickly doing stock UI coding, so it's the tool of choice for projects
like ABCreator.
Use the best tool for each job is my motto....
>And since it's _only_ Rob doing it, I
>wouldn't expect a native version any time soon...
There is a common misperception that Lone Wolf Development is a major
corporation with a huge staff that can tackle all sorts of projects
concurrently. While this is a good thing in many ways, it also has its
drawbacks. Examples include the myriad expectations that adding feature X
or supporting platform Y should be automatically done.
Thanks for reminding everyone about my mere mortal status. Not to mention
that I'm the only one doing EVERYTHING for this product at the present time
(sales, marketing, artwork, support, accounting, admin, oh and
development). Reality checks like this are important from time to time. :->
I'm pedaling as fast as I can!!! :->
Thanks, Rob
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Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:35:13 -0000
From: "Manuel Pombeiro" <firepigeon@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Mordheim DataFiles
Hi there, I would like to report a few problems with the current
released datafiles for Mordheim:
- Norse Shaman - appears as a Hired Sword but the spelss don't have
any description or difficulty roll required
- Stash - doesn't list Helmets and Shields
- High Elf Loremaster spell Fiery Wrath - there's a typo on the 3" S
hit
- Lizardmen Skills - there are none
- Dark Elf Skills - there are none
- Norscan Skills - there are none
- Godi (Norscan Wizard) - the spells don't have any description or
difficulty roll required
- Ostlanders Skills - there are skills with no description
And something I already talked about:
- it isn't possible to upgrade Toughness, Wounds or Movement of
Henchman
I hope this helps
Manuel 'Firepigeon' Pombeiro
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 03:59:37 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: AB files for Shako
At 07:19 PM 3/8/01 +0000, you wrote:
>I thought I would ask before I started the daunting
>task of building my own.
There is a reasonably good tutorial on ABCreator included with the
Construction Kit (but I'm a bit biased <G>). While the documentation is
extensive for the Kit, MUCH of it really isn't necessary right away,
especially if the game system is reasonably simple. Skim through the whole
document, then zero in on the few critical sections. Also use this forum as
an excellent resource for answers and suggestions when you get stumped. You
are also welcome to email me directly with questions, although all the data
file authors are on this list and you'll get a lot of great ideas if you
post your questions here. Plus, the sharing of ideas helps trigger new
ideas on how to do things for all the other authors on the list.
Let us know how we can help out and we'll do our best to support you.
Thanks, Rob
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Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:29:32 -0000
From: "Jimi" <james.tubman@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: No chaos spikey bits for termies???
> LOL must have had to have a rain coat =]
Hehehehe
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:39:07 -0500
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: asking about a background option
On 8 Mar 2001, at 22:12, Rob Bowes wrote:
> Actually, you don't have to worry about running a separate site as
> long the artwork is not copyrighted. I'll setup a section on the Wolf
> Lair site for the artwork. However, if you plan on using official
> artwork, then THAT will need to maintained by someone else - possibly
> just piggy-backing the mechanism that Colen put in place (AB-Files) or
> an equivalent mechanism.
>
> If you put together at least TWO suitable watermark images (one sci-fi
> and one fantasy), along with appropriate "How To" instructions (per my
> other email), then I will promise to add the functionality into the
> next major feature release of AB. BUT, I need to see those two pieces
> before my promise goes into effect. Sound fair?
>
> Thanks, Rob
>
> P.S. You are welcome to create as many different pieces of artwork for
> watermarks as you'd like. However, I want two generic pieces that can
> be bundled into AB or made "default optoins" for the product. These
> are just a starter set for users and my hope is you'll jumpstart the
> creation of a lot of these that everyone uses regularly.
>
Ok, I have a few other things on my plate this month. I will start on
it, but will not have it done (The HOW TO that is) within a few
weeks. THe artwork I will throw something together in the next two
weeks or so. I also run my own business, I repair hardware, and its
booming right now. No time to do anything fun.
Laters!
Fallenhunter
"They know you have the information they want, question is when will they find you."
Overheard at a bar in the Corbia sector.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:23:16 -0500
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Army Builder on Linux
On 8 Mar 2001, at 22:41, Rob Bowes wrote:
> At 09:58 PM 3/8/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >Well, one, its not a small number of users anymore... Linux is the
> >fastest growing piece of software on the planet. Its slated to pass
> >windows for desktop PCs in like 8 years. MS is starting to worry, but
> >wont admit it publicly.
>
> I didn't say I wouldn't support it. I said the demand needed to
> justify the investment. It's quite likely that will occur over the
> upcoming years. When that happens, I'll likely do a Linux version of
> AB.
>
Ok, fair enough, just dont wait to long there is plenty of people who
do open source projects that might just make a clone of your program
that might even use the same datafiles. And it might just be open
source and thus free to boot. Something to consider.
> >Also, is it a convenience to require that the person pay extra for a
> >OS that will be used basicly for one program? (Granted most linux
> >users still run windows for games, but thats not the point).
>
> Please consider carefully your last statement above. If most Linux
> users already have an emulator to run Windows games, then most of AB's
Well, right now most people do a dual boot, which is very differant
from an emulator. THe average linux user does not mess with Wine or
any other emulator, its only normally used by those who must run a
piece of software for work or school.
> customer base won't NEED to buy a native Linux version. That means
> that the huge effort to create a native version will only be NEEDED by
> a small fraction of the already small (but growing) base of Linux
Well, most users only run a emulator or dual boot, as most software
is still only written for windows. That is rapidly changing, I know
a good number of people that work full time and have nothing but
linux on the their machines. This will become the norm in about 5
years. As linux matures a bit more so that drivers are more availble
(and you dont have to beg or hunt forever for them). It will become
alot more mainline. Question is, do you want to join the crowd, or
lead it?
> users. This means that sales will certainly not justify the investment
> at the current time. Once the sales numbers will balance out the
> investment, it's a good business decision to create a native version.
> My time is extremely limited and I have to make the best use of it.
> It's not a slight against Linux users. It's a basic reality of
> business - same as any other company developing software for any
> platform.
>
Granted, your a lone man doing alot. It will take some time, and some
effort to learn the OS. I just hope you dont get tied up and lose
track of future plans.
> >Depending on the level of ANSI compatiblity, it could be, as simple
> >as loading it up and recompling. Assuming your not using MSVC, most
> >other compliers are about 90% ansi complient. It would not be the
> >huge chore you think. I have translated larger programs from windows
> >to Linux, and am working on a few others.
>
> I do cross-platform portability as a profession, so I'm reasonably
> familiar with the issues. AB is written to be portable, with the
> exception of a smattering of low-level facilities (easily ported),
> some key components (e.g. internet access), and the UI. It's the UI
> that will be a bear to port, since THAT piece of AB was NOT written to
> be portable (the overhead to do so would have been prohibitive). The
> complexity of hte AB UI has increased significantly over the years, so
> this is a major piece to try and port.
>
I have one word to say, Widgets, or GTK+ as its properly called.
http://www.gtk.org Its the X windows version of the visual tool kit,
it has all the stuff you need, prepackaged and ready to go. List
boxes, combo boxes (maybe under differant names, but the function is
the same), text boxes, etc.
> >Also Borland and others have compatible libraries under linux, to
> >make porting even easier. If you dont have a linux box, I would sit
> >down install it on a spare system, (takes an hour for a basic
> >install, ignoring sound/zips/burners/high powered video) gcc/g++ is
> >installed pretty much by default. YOu might just give it go one after
> >noon when your bombed out on writing code. Ask I will snail mail you
> >a copy of RedHat, (Yes its legal) just ask me off list.
>
> I'll make a point of doing this over the Summer. First I have to get
> finished with my current project, then get a new release of AB put
> together, and then deal with Origins/GenCon. After that, I can think
> about Linux.
Ok, fair enough, its on the agenda, at least.
>
> BTW, I've been using g++ and gdb on a project for client. I must say
> that the compiler is reasonably solid (sans a few quirks that are a
> pain), but gdb is a few giant leaps backwards from what I'm used to
> with the VC debugger (or even the Borland debugger). That will make
> the port a much less pleasant process. :-(
Gdb is not the major player anymore, Codewarrior is.
>
> >I happen to be a memeber of a LUG (Canton Linux Users Group), and if
> >you have some other problems that I cannot answer myself. I am about
> >90% sure I can get the answers with hours or overnight. We have some
> >heavy hitters in our little group, profession programmers, and
> >sysadmins (And a few web celebs as well).
>
> Excellent. It's nice to have a knowledgeable resource to tap. I'll
> definitely keep this in mind when the Linux effort is pursued.
Sure, anytime, and I can also point you to some reasonable online
references.
>
> >BTW, ONce you port a version to Linux, your done, it will only
> >require a recomplie to run under the many flavors and platforms that
> >linux runs under, including: Mac, Intel, Sparc, most modern
> >mainframes, and even the amiga. Oh yea, the commadore 64/128!
> >
> >Try that with any other operating system....
>
> My code already takes all that into consideration pretty cleanly. I've
> been doing cross-platform portability work (typically Windows, Unix,
> and Mac) for a LONG time, so that's not an issue for me. The gotcha is
> the UI.
Cool. Be honest I was begining to think you were a hobbiest
programmer that made it big, and was perhaps over your head.
>
> >So its worth the time, and you might see your sales grow even faster,
> >if you took a weekend and gave it a shot.
>
> So fill me in on how difficult it would be to port about 50,000 lines
> of code that is tied to the Windows API (primarily GDI). Also describe
> what libraries are in place that emulate the functionality of things
> like the "wininet" API provided under Windows. I have no idea what
> provisions/libraries are in place under Linux for this, but this is
> critical to porting the product.
All are availble in the Gnome toolkits. GTK+ (at least just about
everything, including Inet access).
>
> >Course you welcome to ignore me, and in five years I promise not to
> >look you up and say I told you so.... I will just sit back and smile.
>
>
>
Thank you for at least considering what I have to say.
> Thanks, Rob
>
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> www.wolflair.com
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:27:00 -0500
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Army Builder on Linux
On 8 Mar 2001, at 23:31, Toller Madsen wrote:
> I highly doubt that Linux will surpass the Windows Platform..I have a
> Linux webserver and it took me days to get it working (it's not for
> everyone). Any idiot can install Windows XXXX and have the computer
Try redhat, any idiot can do that one as well, my wife did it, first
try, and she still types hen peck, let along know much about
computers. Its a similar interface for install, point and click.
The linux installers get better every version...
> running perfectly (as far as any MS system goes..for those MS bashers)
> where getting a Linux box to work smoothly is a lot more work and your
> average Joe won't be able to handle it. Sure Companies like Corel are
> making an idiot's version of Linux but you have to pay for it (which
> defeats the point of a free OS Linux). It would be great to have AB
> on Linux but I think it would be more profitable for Rob to make a mac
> version before Linux.
Mac version? Hmm... I support over a 100 locations, only one has a
mac. Not in my market it would not. I have 16 offices running Linux
as main servers/workstations. One girl uses her mac for graphics.
>
> > windows for desktop PCs in like 8 years. MS is starting to
> worry, but > wont admit it publicly. Did one of Gates' private
> memos get sent to you accidently, or did you find this out at your
> last lunch with "the big guy"? ;p
>
No, but give me a few hours (i have to go take wife to work) I will
dig up a quote from Bill Gates that sure sounds like is a bit
worried.
Fallenhunter
"They know you have the information they want, question is when will they find you."
Overheard at a bar in the Corbia sector.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 14:33:06 -0000
From: stevenjcox@cableinet.co.uk
Subject: Tyranid AB file error
Just a little one. The abbreviation for Toxin Sacs is ST, which is
confusing when you have two Genestealer units with Toxin Sacs (ST)
and Scything Talons (also ST).
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:46:17 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: asking about a background option
At 14:14 08/03/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>At 06:24 PM 3/7/01 +0000, you wrote:
> >Having selectable pictures is fine. If I have to actually do anything about
> >them, that's not fine.
>
>But you are now the slave of the masses! Haven't you succumbed to this
>reality yet?
Hey, slave to the masses I don't mind. *Unpaid* slave to the masses, now
that's different
>Citizen, please report to the Center for Mind Control for proper
>recalibration.
>
>JUST JOKING!!
Yeah yeah, now get back to porting AB to the Palm Pilot, or converting it
to Java, before I have to come in there }:>
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:47:29 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: No chaos spikey bits for termies???
At 00:23 09/03/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>What possible difference
>between spikey bits on power armor vs terminator armor could there be?
I think Spiky Bits are intended to be the Chaos version of Terminator
Honours. Termi armour already gives you a +1 attack, which is almost the
same as a re-roll, so you can't have both at once.
That's what I'd imagine the logic to be, anyway.
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:53:47 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Army Builder on Linux
At 23:31 08/03/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>I highly doubt that Linux will surpass the Windows Platform..I have a
>Linux webserver and it took me days to get it working (it's not for
>everyone).
Exactly. Once I become immensely rich and can afford to leave my job (cough
cough), the development of Skrill Linux 9000 will begin - the world's first
easy-to-use, gui, all-singing-all-dancing etc. Linux system. Hoorah!
Unfortunately, chances = low of this ever happening
>Any idiot can install Windows XXXX and have the computer running perfectly
>(as far as any MS system goes..for those MS bashers)
Well, apart from all the security holes
>where getting a Linux box to work smoothly is a lot more work and your
>average Joe won't be able to handle it. Sure Companies like Corel are
>making an idiot's version of Linux but you have to pay for it (which
>defeats the point of a free OS Linux). It would be great to have AB on
>Linux but I think it would be more profitable for Rob to make a mac
>version before Linux.
Haha, mac version. Sorry, just an old prejudice there :/
I'll be happy with Linux when Mr I. M. Becile of 9 Buffoon Lane, Islington
can install it, have it running a web server, etc., with no horrible
problems like Sendmail used to be until you beat it around the head like we
had to do. Until then, it has no chance of competing with Windows in the
desktop market.
IMAO, of course
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Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today!
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:50:42 +0100
From: "TAGARNO A/S - Niels Peter Gibe" <np@tagarno.dk>
Subject: SV: Army Builder on Linux
> Use the best tool for each job is my motto....
(whisper mode on: ) Then use Delphi. I do. Have done so since Compas Pascal (which later became Turbo Pascal) (whisper mode off: )
Niels Peter Gibe
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 20:02:35 -0000
From: "Guy McLean" <mclean@filtec.com>
Subject: Re: No chaos spikey bits for termies???
> Correct - notice the little '*' missing from both of these items in
the
> Chaos armoury??
Not only did I not notice, I completely forgot about that damn
asterik even after you pointed it out. How embarressing! I promise
not to spit though! =)
gm
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:40:25 -0500
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Army Builder on Linux
> I'll be happy with Linux when Mr I. M. Becile of 9 Buffoon Lane,
> Islington can install it, have it running a web server, etc., with no
> horrible problems like Sendmail used to be until you beat it around
> the head like we had to do. Until then, it has no chance of competing
> with Windows in the desktop market.
>
> IMAO, of course
>
Check out version 6.2 Redhat, it will install in about 20 mins, it
does not take a genuis to answer the questions its asks, and once of
the options it plainly offers is the install and configure the web
server. Yes, it still requires some tweeks, (customize some
settings, using a config tool), but then again any webserver needs to
know the website's name etc...
You would be surprised at how easily Linux is to install today. If
your having that much trouble, you generally have either: 1: exoctic
hardware, that the company refuses to support under linux, or 2: an
older copy of linux, or like Debian, an advanced users interface.
If your using one of the user freindly versions, Redhat, Mandrake, or
Caldera. Install and stuff is a breeze. If your using something like
Debian (which lacks most of the GUI tools to adjust stuff) or some
really crappy piece of trash that should never have been release,
Corel comes to mind. You will have problems.
Fallenhunter
"They know you have the information they want, question is when will they find you."
Overheard at a bar in the Corbia sector.
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:44:16 -0500
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Army Builder on Linux
> >
> > > windows for desktop PCs in like 8 years. MS is starting to
> > worry, but > wont admit it publicly. Did one of Gates' private
> > memos get sent to you accidently, or did you find this out at
> > your last lunch with "the big guy"? ;p
> >
>
> No, but give me a few hours (i have to go take wife to work) I will
> dig up a quote from Bill Gates that sure sounds like is a bit worried.
>
http://wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41527,00.html
If anyone cares... Thats the link I was refering to.
Opps, I was wrong, it was not Bill, it was one of his flunkies:
Doug Miller, Microsoft's group product manager for competitive
strategies.
Fallenhunter
"They know you have the information they want, question is when will they find you."
Overheard at a bar in the Corbia sector.
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:03:03 -0500
From: "Alex Morano" <amorano@bworks.com>
Subject: Re: Army Builder on Linux
The only thing in there is a subjective statement (not a direct quote) about MS being seen as having swayed between linux as a piece of crap OS and as a future threat. Nothing about them, from MS, about being scared by the *nix presence.
BTW, Red Hat is easy to install yes, use as an OS through its GUI yes, program for, not a great set of tools, and other than host a web site, next to zero applications.
Now, that last part I am sure, will have you saying, but they are comming. Well, they have been comming for over a year. I run BSD, nix and Win. Sorry to say, lack of apps for BSD and Linux is killing them slowly from my work environment.
----- Original Message -----
From: Fallenhunter
To: armybuilder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AB] Army Builder on Linux
> >
> > > windows for desktop PCs in like 8 years. MS is starting to
> > worry, but > wont admit it publicly. Did one of Gates' private
> > memos get sent to you accidently, or did you find this out at
> > your last lunch with "the big guy"? ;p
> >
>
> No, but give me a few hours (i have to go take wife to work) I will
> dig up a quote from Bill Gates that sure sounds like is a bit worried.
>
http://wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41527,00.html
If anyone cares... Thats the link I was refering to.
Opps, I was wrong, it was not Bill, it was one of his flunkies:
Doug Miller, Microsoft's group product manager for competitive
strategies.
Fallenhunter
"They know you have the information they want, question is when will they find you."
Overheard at a bar in the Corbia sector.
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 13:56:49 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Army Builder on Linux
At 08:23 AM 3/9/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Ok, fair enough, just dont wait to long there is plenty of people who
>do open source projects that might just make a clone of your program
>that might even use the same datafiles. And it might just be open
>source and thus free to boot. Something to consider.
I welcome them to do so. There are lots of other tools like AB for Windows.
None of them hold a candle to AB's functionality. Why? Because a LOT of
work went into AB that most people won't invest the time into for a
freeware project.
>Well, most users only run a emulator or dual boot, as most software
>is still only written for windows. That is rapidly changing, I know
>a good number of people that work full time and have nothing but
>linux on the their machines. This will become the norm in about 5
>years. As linux matures a bit more so that drivers are more availble
>(and you dont have to beg or hunt forever for them). It will become
>alot more mainline. Question is, do you want to join the crowd, or
>lead it?
Given that I have to make a living off of this - and support a mortgage,
wife, and soon kids - I'll gladly join it when there is enough business
there to live off of.
>I have one word to say, Widgets, or GTK+ as its properly called.
>http://www.gtk.org Its the X windows version of the visual tool kit,
>it has all the stuff you need, prepackaged and ready to go. List
>boxes, combo boxes (maybe under differant names, but the function is
>the same), text boxes, etc.
In other words, I have to completely rewrite the entire UI of Army Builder
to a new API. Sorry, but that's a HUGE amount of work. It won't happen
anytime soon, since a huge amount of work requires that there be a
correspondingly huge return on the investment. It's not there for Linux at
present.
>Gdb is not the major player anymore, Codewarrior is.
Which is still not nearly as good as MSVC for debugging.
>Sure, anytime, and I can also point you to some reasonable online
>references.
Excellent. Thanks!
>Cool. Be honest I was begining to think you were a hobbiest
>programmer that made it big, and was perhaps over your head.
Nope. I'm a 20-year veteran that was at the top of his game in Silicon
Valley. I decided to do my own product. That's AB.
> > So fill me in on how difficult it would be to port about 50,000 lines
> > of code that is tied to the Windows API (primarily GDI). Also describe
> > what libraries are in place that emulate the functionality of things
> > like the "wininet" API provided under Windows. I have no idea what
> > provisions/libraries are in place under Linux for this, but this is
> > critical to porting the product.
>
>All are availble in the Gnome toolkits. GTK+ (at least just about
>everything, including Inet access).
The full Windows GDI API is fully implemented in GTK? I thought that GTK
was an X-Windows port (per both my memory and your statement above). If
it's X-Windows, I need a complete rewrite of the UI. If it's the Windows
API, it's a whole different story. Please clarify.
Thanks, Rob
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 14:01:41 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: SV: Army Builder on Linux
I used TP back when it was first released ('83 I think). Great tool. Used
it for a zillion years. But Pascal *SUCKS* for doing the stuff I need
within AB. Lots of pointer games to keep things lean and efficient. So I
went with the best tool for the job - C/C++.
Thanks, Rob
At 06:50 PM 3/9/01 +0100, you wrote:
> > Use the best tool for each job is my motto....
>(whisper mode on: ) Then use Delphi. I do. Have done so since Compas
>Pascal (which later became Turbo Pascal) (whisper mode off: )
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Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Army Builder on Linux
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
2. Mordheim DataFiles
From: "Manuel Pombeiro" <firepigeon@bigfoot.com>
3. Re: AB files for Shako
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
4. Re: No chaos spikey bits for termies???
From: "Jimi" <james.tubman@blueyonder.co.uk>
5. Re: asking about a background option
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
6. Re: Army Builder on Linux
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
7. Re: Army Builder on Linux
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
8. Tyranid AB file error
From: stevenjcox@cableinet.co.uk
9. Re: asking about a background option
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
10. Re: No chaos spikey bits for termies???
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
11. Re: Army Builder on Linux
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
12. SV: Army Builder on Linux
From: "TAGARNO A/S - Niels Peter Gibe" <np@tagarno.dk>
13. Re: No chaos spikey bits for termies???
From: "Guy McLean" <mclean@filtec.com>
14. Re: Army Builder on Linux
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
15. Re: Army Builder on Linux
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
16. Re: Army Builder on Linux
From: "Alex Morano" <amorano@bworks.com>
17. Re: Army Builder on Linux
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
18. Re: SV: Army Builder on Linux
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 03:13:05 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Army Builder on Linux
At 10:51 AM 3/8/01 -0800, you wrote:
>Never, ever assume something's written in VB...
Unless it's installation program is more than 15MB (and that's fully
compressed). Then it's a good bet the product was written in VB.
>I believe Rob uses Borland C++.
Actually it's a hybrid. I use MSVC for AB itself. I use C++Builder for
ABCreator. I prefer VC's debugger (I *HATE* everything else about VC), so I
use VC for the full product. However, C++Builder has an excellent framework
for quickly doing stock UI coding, so it's the tool of choice for projects
like ABCreator.
Use the best tool for each job is my motto....
>And since it's _only_ Rob doing it, I
>wouldn't expect a native version any time soon...
There is a common misperception that Lone Wolf Development is a major
corporation with a huge staff that can tackle all sorts of projects
concurrently. While this is a good thing in many ways, it also has its
drawbacks. Examples include the myriad expectations that adding feature X
or supporting platform Y should be automatically done.
Thanks for reminding everyone about my mere mortal status. Not to mention
that I'm the only one doing EVERYTHING for this product at the present time
(sales, marketing, artwork, support, accounting, admin, oh and
development). Reality checks like this are important from time to time. :->
I'm pedaling as fast as I can!!! :->
Thanks, Rob
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:35:13 -0000
From: "Manuel Pombeiro" <firepigeon@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Mordheim DataFiles
Hi there, I would like to report a few problems with the current
released datafiles for Mordheim:
- Norse Shaman - appears as a Hired Sword but the spelss don't have
any description or difficulty roll required
- Stash - doesn't list Helmets and Shields
- High Elf Loremaster spell Fiery Wrath - there's a typo on the 3" S
hit
- Lizardmen Skills - there are none
- Dark Elf Skills - there are none
- Norscan Skills - there are none
- Godi (Norscan Wizard) - the spells don't have any description or
difficulty roll required
- Ostlanders Skills - there are skills with no description
And something I already talked about:
- it isn't possible to upgrade Toughness, Wounds or Movement of
Henchman
I hope this helps
Manuel 'Firepigeon' Pombeiro
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 03:59:37 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: AB files for Shako
At 07:19 PM 3/8/01 +0000, you wrote:
>I thought I would ask before I started the daunting
>task of building my own.
There is a reasonably good tutorial on ABCreator included with the
Construction Kit (but I'm a bit biased <G>). While the documentation is
extensive for the Kit, MUCH of it really isn't necessary right away,
especially if the game system is reasonably simple. Skim through the whole
document, then zero in on the few critical sections. Also use this forum as
an excellent resource for answers and suggestions when you get stumped. You
are also welcome to email me directly with questions, although all the data
file authors are on this list and you'll get a lot of great ideas if you
post your questions here. Plus, the sharing of ideas helps trigger new
ideas on how to do things for all the other authors on the list.
Let us know how we can help out and we'll do our best to support you.
Thanks, Rob
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:29:32 -0000
From: "Jimi" <james.tubman@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: No chaos spikey bits for termies???
> LOL must have had to have a rain coat =]
Hehehehe
Jimi
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:39:07 -0500
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: asking about a background option
On 8 Mar 2001, at 22:12, Rob Bowes wrote:
> Actually, you don't have to worry about running a separate site as
> long the artwork is not copyrighted. I'll setup a section on the Wolf
> Lair site for the artwork. However, if you plan on using official
> artwork, then THAT will need to maintained by someone else - possibly
> just piggy-backing the mechanism that Colen put in place (AB-Files) or
> an equivalent mechanism.
>
> If you put together at least TWO suitable watermark images (one sci-fi
> and one fantasy), along with appropriate "How To" instructions (per my
> other email), then I will promise to add the functionality into the
> next major feature release of AB. BUT, I need to see those two pieces
> before my promise goes into effect. Sound fair?
>
> Thanks, Rob
>
> P.S. You are welcome to create as many different pieces of artwork for
> watermarks as you'd like. However, I want two generic pieces that can
> be bundled into AB or made "default optoins" for the product. These
> are just a starter set for users and my hope is you'll jumpstart the
> creation of a lot of these that everyone uses regularly.
>
Ok, I have a few other things on my plate this month. I will start on
it, but will not have it done (The HOW TO that is) within a few
weeks. THe artwork I will throw something together in the next two
weeks or so. I also run my own business, I repair hardware, and its
booming right now. No time to do anything fun.
Laters!
Fallenhunter
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:23:16 -0500
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Army Builder on Linux
On 8 Mar 2001, at 22:41, Rob Bowes wrote:
> At 09:58 PM 3/8/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >Well, one, its not a small number of users anymore... Linux is the
> >fastest growing piece of software on the planet. Its slated to pass
> >windows for desktop PCs in like 8 years. MS is starting to worry, but
> >wont admit it publicly.
>
> I didn't say I wouldn't support it. I said the demand needed to
> justify the investment. It's quite likely that will occur over the
> upcoming years. When that happens, I'll likely do a Linux version of
> AB.
>
Ok, fair enough, just dont wait to long there is plenty of people who
do open source projects that might just make a clone of your program
that might even use the same datafiles. And it might just be open
source and thus free to boot. Something to consider.
> >Also, is it a convenience to require that the person pay extra for a
> >OS that will be used basicly for one program? (Granted most linux
> >users still run windows for games, but thats not the point).
>
> Please consider carefully your last statement above. If most Linux
> users already have an emulator to run Windows games, then most of AB's
Well, right now most people do a dual boot, which is very differant
from an emulator. THe average linux user does not mess with Wine or
any other emulator, its only normally used by those who must run a
piece of software for work or school.
> customer base won't NEED to buy a native Linux version. That means
> that the huge effort to create a native version will only be NEEDED by
> a small fraction of the already small (but growing) base of Linux
Well, most users only run a emulator or dual boot, as most software
is still only written for windows. That is rapidly changing, I know
a good number of people that work full time and have nothing but
linux on the their machines. This will become the norm in about 5
years. As linux matures a bit more so that drivers are more availble
(and you dont have to beg or hunt forever for them). It will become
alot more mainline. Question is, do you want to join the crowd, or
lead it?
> users. This means that sales will certainly not justify the investment
> at the current time. Once the sales numbers will balance out the
> investment, it's a good business decision to create a native version.
> My time is extremely limited and I have to make the best use of it.
> It's not a slight against Linux users. It's a basic reality of
> business - same as any other company developing software for any
> platform.
>
Granted, your a lone man doing alot. It will take some time, and some
effort to learn the OS. I just hope you dont get tied up and lose
track of future plans.
> >Depending on the level of ANSI compatiblity, it could be, as simple
> >as loading it up and recompling. Assuming your not using MSVC, most
> >other compliers are about 90% ansi complient. It would not be the
> >huge chore you think. I have translated larger programs from windows
> >to Linux, and am working on a few others.
>
> I do cross-platform portability as a profession, so I'm reasonably
> familiar with the issues.
AB is written to be portable, with the> exception of a smattering of low-level facilities (easily ported),
> some key components (e.g. internet access), and the UI. It's the UI
> that will be a bear to port, since THAT piece of AB was NOT written to
> be portable (the overhead to do so would have been prohibitive). The
> complexity of hte AB UI has increased significantly over the years, so
> this is a major piece to try and port.
>
I have one word to say, Widgets, or GTK+ as its properly called.
http://www.gtk.org Its the X windows version of the visual tool kit,
it has all the stuff you need, prepackaged and ready to go. List
boxes, combo boxes (maybe under differant names, but the function is
the same), text boxes, etc.
> >Also Borland and others have compatible libraries under linux, to
> >make porting even easier. If you dont have a linux box, I would sit
> >down install it on a spare system, (takes an hour for a basic
> >install, ignoring sound/zips/burners/high powered video) gcc/g++ is
> >installed pretty much by default. YOu might just give it go one after
> >noon when your bombed out on writing code. Ask I will snail mail you
> >a copy of RedHat, (Yes its legal) just ask me off list.
>
> I'll make a point of doing this over the Summer. First I have to get
> finished with my current project, then get a new release of AB put
> together, and then deal with Origins/GenCon. After that, I can think
> about Linux.
Ok, fair enough, its on the agenda, at least.
>
> BTW, I've been using g++ and gdb on a project for client. I must say
> that the compiler is reasonably solid (sans a few quirks that are a
> pain), but gdb is a few giant leaps backwards from what I'm used to
> with the VC debugger (or even the Borland debugger). That will make
> the port a much less pleasant process. :-(
Gdb is not the major player anymore, Codewarrior is.
>
> >I happen to be a memeber of a LUG (Canton Linux Users Group), and if
> >you have some other problems that I cannot answer myself. I am about
> >90% sure I can get the answers with hours or overnight. We have some
> >heavy hitters in our little group, profession programmers, and
> >sysadmins (And a few web celebs as well).
>
> Excellent. It's nice to have a knowledgeable resource to tap. I'll
> definitely keep this in mind when the Linux effort is pursued.
Sure, anytime, and I can also point you to some reasonable online
references.
>
> >BTW, ONce you port a version to Linux, your done, it will only
> >require a recomplie to run under the many flavors and platforms that
> >linux runs under, including: Mac, Intel, Sparc, most modern
> >mainframes, and even the amiga. Oh yea, the commadore 64/128!
> >
> >Try that with any other operating system....
>
> My code already takes all that into consideration pretty cleanly. I've
> been doing cross-platform portability work (typically Windows, Unix,
> and Mac) for a LONG time, so that's not an issue for me. The gotcha is
> the UI.
Cool. Be honest I was begining to think you were a hobbiest
programmer that made it big, and was perhaps over your head.
>
> >So its worth the time, and you might see your sales grow even faster,
> >if you took a weekend and gave it a shot.
>
> So fill me in on how difficult it would be to port about 50,000 lines
> of code that is tied to the Windows API (primarily GDI). Also describe
> what libraries are in place that emulate the functionality of things
> like the "wininet" API provided under Windows. I have no idea what
> provisions/libraries are in place under Linux for this, but this is
> critical to porting the product.
All are availble in the Gnome toolkits. GTK+ (at least just about
everything, including Inet access).
>
> >Course you welcome to ignore me, and in five years I promise not to
> >look you up and say I told you so.... I will just sit back and smile.
>
>
>
Thank you for at least considering what I have to say.
> Thanks, Rob
>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:27:00 -0500
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Army Builder on Linux
On 8 Mar 2001, at 23:31, Toller Madsen wrote:
> I highly doubt that Linux will surpass the Windows Platform..I have a
> Linux webserver and it took me days to get it working (it's not for
> everyone). Any idiot can install Windows XXXX and have the computer
Try redhat, any idiot can do that one as well, my wife did it, first
try, and she still types hen peck, let along know much about
computers. Its a similar interface for install, point and click.
The linux installers get better every version...
> running perfectly (as far as any MS system goes..for those MS bashers)
> where getting a Linux box to work smoothly is a lot more work and your
> average Joe won't be able to handle it. Sure Companies like Corel are
> making an idiot's version of Linux but you have to pay for it (which
> defeats the point of a free OS Linux). It would be great to have AB
> on Linux but I think it would be more profitable for Rob to make a mac
> version before Linux.
Mac version? Hmm... I support over a 100 locations, only one has a
mac. Not in my market it would not. I have 16 offices running Linux
as main servers/workstations. One girl uses her mac for graphics.
>
> > windows for desktop PCs in like 8 years. MS is starting to
> worry, but > wont admit it publicly. Did one of Gates' private
> memos get sent to you accidently, or did you find this out at your
> last lunch with "the big guy"? ;p
>
No, but give me a few hours (i have to go take wife to work) I will
dig up a quote from Bill Gates that sure sounds like is a bit
worried.
Fallenhunter
"They know you have the information they want, question is when will they find you."
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 14:33:06 -0000
From: stevenjcox@cableinet.co.uk
Subject: Tyranid AB file error
Just a little one. The abbreviation for Toxin Sacs is ST, which is
confusing when you have two Genestealer units with Toxin Sacs (ST)
and Scything Talons (also ST).
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:46:17 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: asking about a background option
At 14:14 08/03/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>At 06:24 PM 3/7/01 +0000, you wrote:
> >Having selectable pictures is fine. If I have to actually do anything about
> >them, that's not fine.
>
>But you are now the slave of the masses! Haven't you succumbed to this
>reality yet?
Hey, slave to the masses I don't mind. *Unpaid* slave to the masses, now
that's different
>Citizen, please report to the Center for Mind Control for proper
>recalibration.
>
>JUST JOKING!!
Yeah yeah, now get back to porting AB to the Palm Pilot, or converting it
to Java, before I have to come in there }:>
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:47:29 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: No chaos spikey bits for termies???
At 00:23 09/03/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>What possible difference
>between spikey bits on power armor vs terminator armor could there be?
I think Spiky Bits are intended to be the Chaos version of Terminator
Honours. Termi armour already gives you a +1 attack, which is almost the
same as a re-roll, so you can't have both at once.
That's what I'd imagine the logic to be, anyway.
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:53:47 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Army Builder on Linux
At 23:31 08/03/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>I highly doubt that Linux will surpass the Windows Platform..I have a
>Linux webserver and it took me days to get it working (it's not for
>everyone).
Exactly. Once I become immensely rich and can afford to leave my job (cough
cough), the development of Skrill Linux 9000 will begin - the world's first
easy-to-use, gui, all-singing-all-dancing etc. Linux system. Hoorah!
Unfortunately, chances = low of this ever happening
>Any idiot can install Windows XXXX and have the computer running perfectly
>(as far as any MS system goes..for those MS bashers)
Well, apart from all the security holes
>where getting a Linux box to work smoothly is a lot more work and your
>average Joe won't be able to handle it. Sure Companies like Corel are
>making an idiot's version of Linux but you have to pay for it (which
>defeats the point of a free OS Linux). It would be great to have AB on
>Linux but I think it would be more profitable for Rob to make a mac
>version before Linux.
Haha, mac version. Sorry, just an old prejudice there :/
I'll be happy with Linux when Mr I. M. Becile of 9 Buffoon Lane, Islington
can install it, have it running a web server, etc., with no horrible
problems like Sendmail used to be until you beat it around the head like we
had to do. Until then, it has no chance of competing with Windows in the
desktop market.
IMAO, of course
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:50:42 +0100
From: "TAGARNO A/S - Niels Peter Gibe" <np@tagarno.dk>
Subject: SV: Army Builder on Linux
> Use the best tool for each job is my motto....
(whisper mode on: ) Then use Delphi. I do. Have done so since Compas Pascal (which later became Turbo Pascal) (whisper mode off: )
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 20:02:35 -0000
From: "Guy McLean" <mclean@filtec.com>
Subject: Re: No chaos spikey bits for termies???
> Correct - notice the little '*' missing from both of these items in
the
> Chaos armoury??
Not only did I not notice, I completely forgot about that damn
asterik even after you pointed it out. How embarressing! I promise
not to spit though! =)
gm
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:40:25 -0500
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Army Builder on Linux
> I'll be happy with Linux when Mr I. M. Becile of 9 Buffoon Lane,
> Islington can install it, have it running a web server, etc., with no
> horrible problems like Sendmail used to be until you beat it around
> the head like we had to do. Until then, it has no chance of competing
> with Windows in the desktop market.
>
> IMAO, of course
>
Check out version 6.2 Redhat, it will install in about 20 mins, it
does not take a genuis to answer the questions its asks, and once of
the options it plainly offers is the install and configure the web
server. Yes, it still requires some tweeks, (customize some
settings, using a config tool), but then again any webserver needs to
know the website's name etc...
You would be surprised at how easily Linux is to install today. If
your having that much trouble, you generally have either: 1: exoctic
hardware, that the company refuses to support under linux, or 2: an
older copy of linux, or like Debian, an advanced users interface.
If your using one of the user freindly versions, Redhat, Mandrake, or
Caldera. Install and stuff is a breeze. If your using something like
Debian (which lacks most of the GUI tools to adjust stuff) or some
really crappy piece of trash that should never have been release,
Corel comes to mind. You will have problems.
Fallenhunter
"They know you have the information they want, question is when will they find you."
Overheard at a bar in the Corbia sector.
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:44:16 -0500
From: "Fallenhunter" <fallenhunter@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Army Builder on Linux
> >
> > > windows for desktop PCs in like 8 years. MS is starting to
> > worry, but > wont admit it publicly. Did one of Gates' private
> > memos get sent to you accidently, or did you find this out at
> > your last lunch with "the big guy"? ;p
> >
>
> No, but give me a few hours (i have to go take wife to work) I will
> dig up a quote from Bill Gates that sure sounds like is a bit worried.
>
http://wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41527,00.html
If anyone cares... Thats the link I was refering to.
Opps, I was wrong, it was not Bill, it was one of his flunkies:
Doug Miller, Microsoft's group product manager for competitive
strategies.
Fallenhunter
"They know you have the information they want, question is when will they find you."
Overheard at a bar in the Corbia sector.
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:03:03 -0500
From: "Alex Morano" <amorano@bworks.com>
Subject: Re: Army Builder on Linux
The only thing in there is a subjective statement (not a direct quote) about MS being seen as having swayed between linux as a piece of crap OS and as a future threat. Nothing about them, from MS, about being scared by the *nix presence.
BTW, Red Hat is easy to install yes, use as an OS through its GUI yes, program for, not a great set of tools, and other than host a web site, next to zero applications.
Now, that last part I am sure, will have you saying, but they are comming. Well, they have been comming for over a year. I run BSD, nix and Win. Sorry to say, lack of apps for BSD and Linux is killing them slowly from my work environment.
----- Original Message -----
From: Fallenhunter
To: armybuilder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AB] Army Builder on Linux
> >
> > > windows for desktop PCs in like 8 years. MS is starting to
> > worry, but > wont admit it publicly. Did one of Gates' private
> > memos get sent to you accidently, or did you find this out at
> > your last lunch with "the big guy"? ;p
> >
>
> No, but give me a few hours (i have to go take wife to work) I will
> dig up a quote from Bill Gates that sure sounds like is a bit worried.
>
http://wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41527,00.html
If anyone cares... Thats the link I was refering to.
Opps, I was wrong, it was not Bill, it was one of his flunkies:
Doug Miller, Microsoft's group product manager for competitive
strategies.
Fallenhunter
"They know you have the information they want, question is when will they find you."
Overheard at a bar in the Corbia sector.
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 13:56:49 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Army Builder on Linux
At 08:23 AM 3/9/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Ok, fair enough, just dont wait to long there is plenty of people who
>do open source projects that might just make a clone of your program
>that might even use the same datafiles. And it might just be open
>source and thus free to boot. Something to consider.
I welcome them to do so. There are lots of other tools like AB for Windows.
None of them hold a candle to AB's functionality. Why? Because a LOT of
work went into AB that most people won't invest the time into for a
freeware project.
>Well, most users only run a emulator or dual boot, as most software
>is still only written for windows. That is rapidly changing, I know
>a good number of people that work full time and have nothing but
>linux on the their machines. This will become the norm in about 5
>years. As linux matures a bit more so that drivers are more availble
>(and you dont have to beg or hunt forever for them). It will become
>alot more mainline. Question is, do you want to join the crowd, or
>lead it?
Given that I have to make a living off of this - and support a mortgage,
wife, and soon kids - I'll gladly join it when there is enough business
there to live off of.
>I have one word to say, Widgets, or GTK+ as its properly called.
>http://www.gtk.org Its the X windows version of the visual tool kit,
>it has all the stuff you need, prepackaged and ready to go. List
>boxes, combo boxes (maybe under differant names, but the function is
>the same), text boxes, etc.
In other words, I have to completely rewrite the entire UI of Army Builder
to a new API. Sorry, but that's a HUGE amount of work. It won't happen
anytime soon, since a huge amount of work requires that there be a
correspondingly huge return on the investment. It's not there for Linux at
present.
>Gdb is not the major player anymore, Codewarrior is.
Which is still not nearly as good as MSVC for debugging.
>Sure, anytime, and I can also point you to some reasonable online
>references.
Excellent. Thanks!
>Cool. Be honest I was begining to think you were a hobbiest
>programmer that made it big, and was perhaps over your head.
Nope. I'm a 20-year veteran that was at the top of his game in Silicon
Valley. I decided to do my own product. That's AB.
> > So fill me in on how difficult it would be to port about 50,000 lines
> > of code that is tied to the Windows API (primarily GDI). Also describe
> > what libraries are in place that emulate the functionality of things
> > like the "wininet" API provided under Windows. I have no idea what
> > provisions/libraries are in place under Linux for this, but this is
> > critical to porting the product.
>
>All are availble in the Gnome toolkits. GTK+ (at least just about
>everything, including Inet access).
The full Windows GDI API is fully implemented in GTK? I thought that GTK
was an X-Windows port (per both my memory and your statement above). If
it's X-Windows, I need a complete rewrite of the UI. If it's the Windows
API, it's a whole different story. Please clarify.
Thanks, Rob
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 14:01:41 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: SV: Army Builder on Linux
I used TP back when it was first released ('83 I think). Great tool. Used
it for a zillion years. But Pascal *SUCKS* for doing the stuff I need
within AB. Lots of pointer games to keep things lean and efficient. So I
went with the best tool for the job - C/C++.
Thanks, Rob
At 06:50 PM 3/9/01 +0100, you wrote:
> > Use the best tool for each job is my motto....
>(whisper mode on: ) Then use Delphi. I do. Have done so since Compas
>Pascal (which later became Turbo Pascal) (whisper mode off: )
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