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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Not an AB file error
From: "Jon Beatty" <noj@bigfoot.com>
2. Re: Not an AB file error
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
3. Possible Error in Armored Company?
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
4. Re: Not an AB file error
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
5. Re: Possible Error in Armored Company?
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
6. Re: Not an AB file error
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
7. Re: Possible Error in Armored Company?
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
8. V. 2.1 download problem - MSQL log full
From: Rob Moser <moser@unsw.edu.au>
9. Re: Not an AB file error
From: "Jon Beatty" <noj@bigfoot.com>
10. No IGAC
From: "Jon Beatty" <noj@bigfoot.com>
11. Re: No IGAC
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
12. Re: No IGAC
From: "Jon Beatty" <noj@bigfoot.com>
13. Imperial Armor tanks was Re: No IGAC
From: "Jon Beatty" <noj@bigfoot.com>
14. Rob - a few things for the to-do list
From: Mathias Gehl <mgehl@home.com>
15. Re: Mordheim
From: Phil Groff <pgroff@home.com>
16. Re: Rob - a few things for the to-do list
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
17. Re: Rob - a few things for the to-do list
From: Mathias Gehl <mgehl@home.com>
18. Problem with Mordheim 3.0 files and AB 2.1
From: "Michael " <hogfather1304@hotmail.com>
19. Re: Mordheim
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
20. Re: Problem with Mordheim 3.0 files and AB 2.1
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
21. Re: Imperial Armor tanks was Re: No IGAC
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
22. Re: Problem with Mordheim 3.0 files and AB 2.1
From: "Michael " <hogfather1304@hotmail.com>


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:22:39 -0000
From: "Jon Beatty" <noj@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Not an AB file error

Dwnloaded 2.1, dwnloaded the new 40K file 40K3_v2p12 and keep getting
a "Selected is not a valid Army Builder import file" error.

Jon



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:00:05 -0600
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
Subject: Re: Not an AB file error

hmmm.. no problems here.. try reinstalling 2.1 or even redownloading the 2p12 file, may have gotten corrupt on the download..

Matt

----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Beatty
To: armybuilder@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 1:22 PM
Subject: [AB] Not an AB file error


Dwnloaded 2.1, dwnloaded the new 40K file 40K3_v2p12 and keep getting
a "Selected is not a valid Army Builder import file" error.

Jon


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:01:45 -0600
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
Subject: Possible Error in Armored Company?

I think I found an error in the new 40K Dat file... I get a validation error when I put more then one Vanquisher in my army list. Wanted to see if maybe I missed something in the rules or perhaps the skrills got hold of the pre-release

Take your time, I know you're off on Vacation/Holiday

Matt


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:56:10 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Not an AB file error

At 19:22 20/12/2000 +0000, you wrote:
>Dwnloaded 2.1, dwnloaded the new 40K file 40K3_v2p12 and keep getting
>a "Selected is not a valid Army Builder import file" error.

You managed to download it? I just get a "something is horribly wrong"
error message when I start. Downloading it 'by hand' works fine.

The same thing is up with the Mordheim files as well, but not the VOID
ones.... for this reason I suspect it's not my fault. Stay tuned...


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:04:25 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Possible Error in Armored Company?

At 14:01 20/12/2000 -0600, you wrote:
>I think I found an error in the new 40K Dat file... I get a validation
>error when I put more then one Vanquisher in my army list. Wanted to see
>if maybe I missed something in the rules or perhaps the skrills got hold
>of the pre-release

It didn't occur to me to say "don't apply this limit to the armoured
company".

'Twill be fixed in v2.13.

>Take your time, I know you're off on Vacation/Holiday

Oh, please. This is when I get most work done, it's great


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:37:08 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Not an AB file error

That was due to a pilot error when Colen released the new updates. It has
now been corrected and (I hope) won't be happening again.

Thanks, Rob


At 07:22 PM 12/20/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Dwnloaded 2.1, dwnloaded the new 40K file 40K3_v2p12 and keep getting
>a "Selected is not a valid Army Builder import file" error.
>
>Jon


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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:50:15 -0600
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
Subject: Re: Possible Error in Armored Company?

ahh.. well didn't want to seem too pushy or anything Glad you're enjoying your time off

Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister
To: armybuilder@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AB] Possible Error in Armored Company?


At 14:01 20/12/2000 -0600, you wrote:
>I think I found an error in the new 40K Dat file... I get a validation
>error when I put more then one Vanquisher in my army list. Wanted to see
>if maybe I missed something in the rules or perhaps the skrills got hold
>of the pre-release

It didn't occur to me to say "don't apply this limit to the armoured
company".

'Twill be fixed in v2.13.

>Take your time, I know you're off on Vacation/Holiday

Oh, please. This is when I get most work done, it's great


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:15:39 +1100 (EST)
From: Rob Moser <moser@unsw.edu.au>
Subject: V. 2.1 download problem - MSQL log full


When I try to download 2.1, I get the following error:

Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server error '80004005'

The log file for database 'ArmyBuilder' is full. Back up the transaction log for the database to free up some log space.

/ab_files/download.asp, line 31

- rob.



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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:46:24 -0000
From: "Jon Beatty" <noj@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: Not an AB file error

Thanks, I re-downloaded it and it worked fine.

Jon


--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, Rob Bowes <rob@w...> wrote:
> That was due to a pilot error when Colen released the new updates.
It has
> now been corrected and (I hope) won't be happening again.
>
> Thanks, Rob
>
>
> At 07:22 PM 12/20/00 +0000, you wrote:
> >Dwnloaded 2.1, dwnloaded the new 40K file 40K3_v2p12 and keep
getting
> >a "Selected is not a valid Army Builder import file" error.
> >
> >Jon
>
>
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> Lone Wolf Development
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:51:41 -0000
From: "Jon Beatty" <noj@bigfoot.com>
Subject: No IGAC

I noticed in the new 40K file there is indicated that the new
IG Armored Company from WD is included. After importing the file
I could not find the option to build the army.

J



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:29:16 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: No IGAC

At 23:51 20/12/2000 +0000, you wrote:
>I noticed in the new 40K file there is indicated that the new
>IG Armored Company from WD is included. After importing the file
>I could not find the option to build the army.

It's there under "Imperial Guard: Armoured Company". At least, it is for
me; is it for you?


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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:25:18 -0000
From: "Jon Beatty" <noj@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: No IGAC


> It's there under "Imperial Guard: Armoured Company". At least, it
is for
> me; is it for you?

Its there now. Had to close AB and bring it back up. Sorry. Should
have thought about that myself.

J




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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:32:46 -0000
From: "Jon Beatty" <noj@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Imperial Armor tanks was Re: No IGAC

Noticed that the units in the Imperial Armor book were not included
with the Armored Company. Will they be added? I seem to remember
reading in the AC rules that Tanks in that book could be included
in the army.

J



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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:07:03 -0800
From: Mathias Gehl <mgehl@home.com>
Subject: Rob - a few things for the to-do list

Now that I have AB2.1, I'm re-doing my Fleet Action files, and I've come
across some problems.

-A set of options are available which alter the point cost of the unit.
Using the mirr attribute, I've forced them to apply to the children of
the unit for which they are selected as well. The problem comes if one
of these options is selected, and the parent is given a different option
which disallows the cost-altering options. I can't find a way to turn
off the attributes for the children (although I've used a type attribute
to eliminate them for the parent). Of course if you go to one of the
children and alter the state of the option, it can't be put back (which
is the way I want it), but I'd like armybuilder to turn them off for me.

-An option is available under certain circumstances which adds to the
size of a composition group (using allw). This option should cost a
certain amount of points each time the same increment is added to the
composition group. However, adding a rang attribute doesn't work (the
composition group's size is altered only once, but you can keep adding
to the range). I finally used a tabl attribute to implement this, but
if an option is selected which disallows the allw option, the allowed
size of the composition group doesn't return to normal. In fact, it
seems to alter the state of the tabl selection by one down (option4 ->
option3 ->option2)

I hope you can understand my descriptions.
2.1 is great! Thanks!

Mathias Gehl
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:39:56 -0500
From: Phil Groff <pgroff@home.com>
Subject: Re: Mordheim

Hi Colen,

Great new files. Any chance you'll be including the Averlanders and Shadow
Warriors to the Mordheim files soon?

Phil G.
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:47:09 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Rob - a few things for the to-do list

At 06:07 PM 12/20/00 -0800, you wrote:
>Now that I have AB2.1, I'm re-doing my Fleet Action files, and I've come
>across some problems.
>
>-A set of options are available which alter the point cost of the unit.
> Using the mirr attribute, I've forced them to apply to the children of
>the unit for which they are selected as well. The problem comes if one
>of these options is selected, and the parent is given a different option
>which disallows the cost-altering options. I can't find a way to turn
>off the attributes for the children (although I've used a type attribute
>to eliminate them for the parent). Of course if you go to one of the
>children and alter the state of the option, it can't be put back (which
>is the way I want it), but I'd like armybuilder to turn them off for me.

What if you just assign the same type to the child units? The option which
does "type:foo" on the parent to turn off the option can also do
"type:foo-child", can't it?

>-An option is available under certain circumstances which adds to the
>size of a composition group (using allw). This option should cost a
>certain amount of points each time the same increment is added to the
>composition group. However, adding a rang attribute doesn't work (the
>composition group's size is altered only once, but you can keep adding
>to the range). I finally used a tabl attribute to implement this, but
>if an option is selected which disallows the allw option, the allowed
>size of the composition group doesn't return to normal. In fact, it
>seems to alter the state of the tabl selection by one down (option4 ->
>option3 ->option2)

The "tabl" attribute chains to a bunch of options. When you override those
options, "tabl" recognizes that the options have become invalid, so it
disables those options. However, it does not touch the option with the
"tabl" attribute directly. This is why you're seeing the table selection
being changed on the fly.

Unfortunately, I don't really understand what you are trying to accomplish,
so I'm not sure what to suggest as a solution. I also don't understand what
you would need as a new feature. Please provide an example of what you want
the user to see happen. From that, I can usually figure out what is needed
in AB.

Thanks, Rob

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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:44:04 -0800
From: Mathias Gehl <mgehl@home.com>
Subject: Re: Rob - a few things for the to-do list

Rob Bowes wrote:

> What if you just assign the same type to the child units? The option
> which does "type:foo" on the parent to turn off the option can also do
> "type:foo-child", can't it?

According to the debugger, there are two lines assigning type:foo to the
parent, and none assigning it to the child. (I had forgotten when I
wrote the first email that I had tried to deal with this for a while and
then given up)


> Unfortunately, I don't really understand what you are trying to
> accomplish, so I'm not sure what to suggest as a solution. I also don't
> understand what you would need as a new feature. Please provide an
> example of what you want the user to see happen. From that, I can
> usually figure out what is needed in AB.

Here's the rule I'm trying to model:
Reserves in this game have a cost reduction (you can choose 90% - 65%
depending on how delayed they are) - I've already gotten that working.
The army leader may choose an ability which guarantees that the reserves
will arrive on the turn they are scheduled to arrive. This ability
costs 50 points per 500 points of guaranteed reinforcements.

I'd like to be able to track the number of regular units, so I'm moving
the units to new composition groups depending on whether they're the
leader's unit, or in reserve. That's why I tried to implement this by
creating a composition group rule. If you can suggest a better way,
please do.

Mathias Gehl
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:14:22 -0000
From: "Michael " <hogfather1304@hotmail.com>
Subject: Problem with Mordheim 3.0 files and AB 2.1

I´ve downloaded AB 2.1 and the new mordheim files for it and have
noticed some problems:
- A lot of the weapons don´t have a check-field anymore, instead some
of the weapons have "+" and "-" button (like the characteristic and
expirience advances in earliere versions). This results in strange
stuff like warriors being allowed 2 doublehanded Waepons.
- The "stash" character (from the pirates?) appears in every warbands
characters, but has characteristic values of zero when it appears in
other warbands.
- The Beastmen Shaman still doesn´t have access to a sword.

Anybody else experiencing the same problems?
hogfather



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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:34:51 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Mordheim

At 21:39 20/12/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Colen,
>
>Great new files. Any chance you'll be including the Averlanders and Shadow
>Warriors to the Mordheim files soon?

Yep. The mordheim files are back on track, now that Town Cryer's not coming
out as often and I have time to keep up with it



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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:37:04 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Problem with Mordheim 3.0 files and AB 2.1

At 08:14 21/12/2000 +0000, you wrote:
>I´ve downloaded AB 2.1 and the new mordheim files for it and have
>noticed some problems:
>- A lot of the weapons don´t have a check-field anymore, instead some
>of the weapons have "+" and "-" button (like the characteristic and
>expirience advances in earliere versions). This results in strange
>stuff like warriors being allowed 2 doublehanded Waepons.

You could do that anyway. I'd like you to show me in the rules, please,
where it says a warrior can't take two double-handed weapons...

>- The "stash" character (from the pirates?) appears in every warbands
>characters, but has characteristic values of zero when it appears in
>other warbands.

Yes, that's what it's meant to do. That's where you keep all your gold,
etc. It was one of the new things I could add with v2.1.

>- The Beastmen Shaman still doesn´t have access to a sword.

I don't have Town Cryer 7 (I was waiting until I could get hold of it, but
doesn't the Shaman take equipment from the Ungor list? And the Ungor don't
get Swords?


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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:37:21 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Imperial Armor tanks was Re: No IGAC

At 01:32 21/12/2000 +0000, you wrote:
>Noticed that the units in the Imperial Armor book were not included
>with the Armored Company. Will they be added? I seem to remember
>reading in the AC rules that Tanks in that book could be included
>in the army.

Could you give me a specific place in the rules where it says that?


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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:06:56 -0000
From: "Michael " <hogfather1304@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Problem with Mordheim 3.0 files and AB 2.1

Hi Not-Colin!
Since you put it that way, I guess I couldn´t show you where it says
that, my mistake! We just haven´t had a caracter with 2 doublehanded
weapons in our group yet.
Still, why are some of the weapon choices equipped with the "+"
and "+" buttons like the characteristics increase was in earlier
versions?
Stash: Pardon my ignorance, now I see! Pretty neat feature then!
Shaman: I´m afraid your mistaken, the Shaman takes equipment from the
Gor list, not the Ungor list (which means he does get access to
swords, but doesn´t get access to spears).

By the way, I hope you didn´t get my posting wrong: I never meant to
criticise, I just wanted to ask if I made mistakes. I appreciate the
hard effort you´re putting into all this as I´m sure everybody on
this list does! Thank you!
kind regards
hogfather

> >- A lot of the weapons don´t have a check-field anymore, instead
some
> >of the weapons have "+" and "-" button (like the characteristic and
> >expirience advances in earliere versions). This results in strange
> >stuff like warriors being allowed 2 doublehanded Waepons.
>
> You could do that anyway. I'd like you to show me in the rules,
please,
> where it says a warrior can't take two double-handed weapons...

> >- The Beastmen Shaman still doesn´t have access to a sword.
>
> I don't have Town Cryer 7 (I was waiting until I could get hold of
it, but
> doesn't the Shaman take equipment from the Ungor list? And the
Ungor don't
> get Swords?




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