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There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: any way to mirror stats?
From: "Russell Sparkes" <rjs@inorbit.com>
2. Re: Re: One option, entire army?
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
3. Re: One option, entire army?
From: "Russell Sparkes" <rjs@inorbit.com>
4. Re: any way to mirror stats?
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
5. Re: any way to mirror stats?
From: angstboy@earthlink.net
6. Just a Note on Datafiles Links
From: "Gene" <grailknight@weblnk.net>
7. Re: any way to mirror stats?
From: "Russell Sparkes" <rjs@inorbit.com>
8. Warmaster
From: "David Williams" <dow123@ozemail.com.au>
9. Download problems
From: "Robert Gaida" <Robert.Gaida@telebel.de>
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 21:53:51 -0000
From: "Russell Sparkes" <rjs@inorbit.com>
Subject: Re: any way to mirror stats?
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, angstboy@e... wrote:
> Is there any way to manipulate a command so that a child unit will
> mirror the parent's stats rather than their options chosen?
>
> My specfic problem is that "mirr" won't mirror a "tabl" option I
> have given to the parent unit, which only modifies that stats of
> the parent unit. If there is a way to solve that problem it would
> be helpful, too.
Not that I am aware of. I was trying to do the same thing and ended
up with an option that had a number of chld: attributes to set the
child stats to those of the parent:
chld:ChildType@Stat=(Stat)
I don't know how useful this is to you
Russell.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:54:09 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Re: One option, entire army?
I believe that "istype" didn't properly recognize the "!" form in the
original V2.0 release. This means you should flag to users that they need
the latest version of AB (and ABLite) to use the Principate data files.
Thanks, Rob
At 10:04 PM 11/23/00 +0000, you wrote:
>As it turns out, The Druid is using Warp Magic, so it needs to be
>setup like the Goblins. ie. Each spell is assigned to a specific unit
>at design time. The Mist of Norka is therefore not something taken by
>the Druid specifically, but more taken for each unit.
>Here I was, trying to figure out a race attribute to do the
>validation, when there's a perfectly good unit one
>
>Thanks Rob, that's just what I was after. I know it may not be ideal,
>but at least it'll be validated.
>
>Russell.
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Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (650) 726-9689
Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:07:32 -0000
From: "Russell Sparkes" <rjs@inorbit.com>
Subject: Re: One option, entire army?
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, Rob Bowes <rob@w...> wrote:
> I believe that "istype" didn't properly recognize the "!" form in
> the original V2.0 release. This means you should flag to users
> that they need the latest version of AB (and ABLite) to use the
> Principate data files.
>
> Thanks, Rob
Will do. I think it's probably good practice just to say people will
need whatever version of Army Builder I'm using to test the files
anyway.
Cheers,
Russell.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 14:03:39 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: any way to mirror stats?
At 07:06 PM 11/24/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Is there any way to manipulate a command so that a child unit will
>mirror the parent's stats rather than their options chosen?
This gets into subtle games of evaluation sequencing. You need the parent
unit's stats to be modified first. Then you can use an option with the
"chld" attribute (or numerous "chld" attributes) to specify the stats for
its children. If you use the expression form, you can set the child stat
values equal to the current parent stat values. After the "chld" attributes
are evaluated, you then need to have the options that attach the child
units. The evaluation sequence of these three steps is critical, and you
can control it by use of appropriate option categories (the categories
dictate the sequence of evaluation).
>My specfic problem is that "mirr" won't mirror a "tabl" option I have
>given to the parent unit, which only modifies that stats of the
>parent unit. If there is a way to solve that problem it would be
>helpful, too.
The "mirr" attribute will only mirror options that are directly attached to
the parent unit. Options chained to via "more", "tabl", or anything else
will not be recognized by "mirr". Depending on how many of these options
are involved, you can potentially use the "type" attribute to assign types
to the child units and then use option with "utyp" on the child. This
approach requires careful management of option categories, since you'll
again need to assign the types via the parent unit BEFORE evaluating the
option that attaches the child unit.
Hope this helps,
Rob
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Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (650) 726-9689
Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 00:23:44 -0000
From: angstboy@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: any way to mirror stats?
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, Rob Bowes <rob@w...> wrote:
> At 07:06 PM 11/24/00 +0000, you wrote:
> >Is there any way to manipulate a command so that a child unit will
> >mirror the parent's stats rather than their options chosen?
>
> This gets into subtle games of evaluation sequencing. You need the
parent
> unit's stats to be modified first. Then you can use an option with
the
> "chld" attribute (or numerous "chld" attributes) to specify the
stats for
> its children. If you use the expression form, you can set the child
stat
> values equal to the current parent stat values. After the "chld"
attributes
> are evaluated, you then need to have the options that attach the
child
> units. The evaluation sequence of these three steps is critical,
and you
> can control it by use of appropriate option categories (the
categories
> dictate the sequence of evaluation).
Okay, I have done this, it worked, thanks.
Now, one more question, is there a way to clean it up so there's no
slash? I can't find any way to do it in the datadef or as a race
option to only show attributes without the slash (either 'base'
or 'stat'), and when I try to do "base:qty=(qty)" it gives me an
error message, I guess you can't reflexively define a stat?
Thank you for all your help,
John
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:06:27 -0500
From: "Gene" <grailknight@weblnk.net>
Subject: Just a Note on Datafiles Links
For those of you that access my website for datafiles through my main webpage, please change your bookmarks to the following URL:
http://www.siegetower.com/armybuilder
I am currently overhauling the whole website, with the exception of the datafiles page.
Thanks!
============================================================
Gene <º)))><
The Siege Tower
http://www.siegetower.com/
============================================================
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 01:36:59 -0000
From: "Russell Sparkes" <rjs@inorbit.com>
Subject: Re: any way to mirror stats?
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, angstboy@e... wrote:
>
> Okay, I have done this, it worked, thanks.
>
> Now, one more question, is there a way to clean it up so there's no
> slash? I can't find any way to do it in the datadef or as a race
> option to only show attributes without the slash (either 'base'
> or 'stat'), and when I try to do "base:qty=(qty)" it gives me an
> error message, I guess you can't reflexively define a stat?
>
(Chuckle) Another one that I already have on the wishlist for Rob (I
hope it's on the list, I know I've asked about it before, a way
to modify the base stat using chld:
At the moment you need two stats, one you modify using your options,
the other you have as a derived stat (via the definition file.
For example: Stat1 is hidden and it's the stat you do your stuffing
with, then you have another stat, Stat, that is not hidden and is
defined to be equal to Stat1.
I don't think I explained that very well, look back through the
archives for this egroup, Rob has explained it much better before.
Enjoy,
Russell.
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:00:52 +1000
From: "David Williams" <dow123@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Warmaster
Hi
I was wondering if you are doing a Kislev army as I am keen to buy an army, but want to know what in there forst.
Thanks
David Williams
Canberra, Australia
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Message: 9
Date: 27 Nov 2000 11:04:28 +0100
From: "Robert Gaida" <Robert.Gaida@telebel.de>
Subject: Download problems
Hello, this is Robert, germany.
I´m not a member of the mailing list.
I got a problem downloading the files for the new warhammer.
All i got is symbols and letters as a text.
Since i´m a ab-user of PC i´m lost here and would be thankful for any
help.
HELP!
(ahem....)
Also found a datafile with e-groups, and being able to download it, but
the army builder programm gives me the error-report
Error in parsing attributes of race (empire).
Again - im lost.
Thank you very much
Robert Gaida
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There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: any way to mirror stats?
From: "Russell Sparkes" <rjs@inorbit.com>
2. Re: Re: One option, entire army?
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
3. Re: One option, entire army?
From: "Russell Sparkes" <rjs@inorbit.com>
4. Re: any way to mirror stats?
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
5. Re: any way to mirror stats?
From: angstboy@earthlink.net
6. Just a Note on Datafiles Links
From: "Gene" <grailknight@weblnk.net>
7. Re: any way to mirror stats?
From: "Russell Sparkes" <rjs@inorbit.com>
8. Warmaster
From: "David Williams" <dow123@ozemail.com.au>
9. Download problems
From: "Robert Gaida" <Robert.Gaida@telebel.de>
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 21:53:51 -0000
From: "Russell Sparkes" <rjs@inorbit.com>
Subject: Re: any way to mirror stats?
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, angstboy@e... wrote:
> Is there any way to manipulate a command so that a child unit will
> mirror the parent's stats rather than their options chosen?
>
> My specfic problem is that "mirr" won't mirror a "tabl" option I
> have given to the parent unit, which only modifies that stats of
> the parent unit. If there is a way to solve that problem it would
> be helpful, too.
Not that I am aware of. I was trying to do the same thing and ended
up with an option that had a number of chld: attributes to set the
child stats to those of the parent:
chld:ChildType@Stat=(Stat)
I don't know how useful this is to you
Russell.
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 2
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:54:09 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Re: One option, entire army?
I believe that "istype" didn't properly recognize the "!" form in the
original V2.0 release. This means you should flag to users that they need
the latest version of AB (and ABLite) to use the Principate data files.
Thanks, Rob
At 10:04 PM 11/23/00 +0000, you wrote:
>As it turns out, The Druid is using Warp Magic, so it needs to be
>setup like the Goblins. ie. Each spell is assigned to a specific unit
>at design time. The Mist of Norka is therefore not something taken by
>the Druid specifically, but more taken for each unit.
>Here I was, trying to figure out a race attribute to do the
>validation, when there's a perfectly good unit one
>
>Thanks Rob, that's just what I was after. I know it may not be ideal,
>but at least it'll be validated.
>
>Russell.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (650) 726-9689
Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 3
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:07:32 -0000
From: "Russell Sparkes" <rjs@inorbit.com>
Subject: Re: One option, entire army?
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, Rob Bowes <rob@w...> wrote:
> I believe that "istype" didn't properly recognize the "!" form in
> the original V2.0 release. This means you should flag to users
> that they need the latest version of AB (and ABLite) to use the
> Principate data files.
>
> Thanks, Rob
Will do. I think it's probably good practice just to say people will
need whatever version of Army Builder I'm using to test the files
anyway.
Cheers,
Russell.
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 4
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 14:03:39 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: any way to mirror stats?
At 07:06 PM 11/24/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Is there any way to manipulate a command so that a child unit will
>mirror the parent's stats rather than their options chosen?
This gets into subtle games of evaluation sequencing. You need the parent
unit's stats to be modified first. Then you can use an option with the
"chld" attribute (or numerous "chld" attributes) to specify the stats for
its children. If you use the expression form, you can set the child stat
values equal to the current parent stat values. After the "chld" attributes
are evaluated, you then need to have the options that attach the child
units. The evaluation sequence of these three steps is critical, and you
can control it by use of appropriate option categories (the categories
dictate the sequence of evaluation).
>My specfic problem is that "mirr" won't mirror a "tabl" option I have
>given to the parent unit, which only modifies that stats of the
>parent unit. If there is a way to solve that problem it would be
>helpful, too.
The "mirr" attribute will only mirror options that are directly attached to
the parent unit. Options chained to via "more", "tabl", or anything else
will not be recognized by "mirr". Depending on how many of these options
are involved, you can potentially use the "type" attribute to assign types
to the child units and then use option with "utyp" on the child. This
approach requires careful management of option categories, since you'll
again need to assign the types via the parent unit BEFORE evaluating the
option that attaches the child unit.
Hope this helps,
Rob
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (650) 726-9689
Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com
[This message contained attachments]
________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 00:23:44 -0000
From: angstboy@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: any way to mirror stats?
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, Rob Bowes <rob@w...> wrote:
> At 07:06 PM 11/24/00 +0000, you wrote:
> >Is there any way to manipulate a command so that a child unit will
> >mirror the parent's stats rather than their options chosen?
>
> This gets into subtle games of evaluation sequencing. You need the
parent
> unit's stats to be modified first. Then you can use an option with
the
> "chld" attribute (or numerous "chld" attributes) to specify the
stats for
> its children. If you use the expression form, you can set the child
stat
> values equal to the current parent stat values. After the "chld"
attributes
> are evaluated, you then need to have the options that attach the
child
> units. The evaluation sequence of these three steps is critical,
and you
> can control it by use of appropriate option categories (the
categories
> dictate the sequence of evaluation).
Okay, I have done this, it worked, thanks.
Now, one more question, is there a way to clean it up so there's no
slash? I can't find any way to do it in the datadef or as a race
option to only show attributes without the slash (either 'base'
or 'stat'), and when I try to do "base:qty=(qty)" it gives me an
error message, I guess you can't reflexively define a stat?
Thank you for all your help,
John
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 6
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:06:27 -0500
From: "Gene" <grailknight@weblnk.net>
Subject: Just a Note on Datafiles Links
For those of you that access my website for datafiles through my main webpage, please change your bookmarks to the following URL:
http://www.siegetower.com/armybuilder
I am currently overhauling the whole website, with the exception of the datafiles page.
Thanks!
============================================================
Gene <º)))><
The Siege Tower
http://www.siegetower.com/
============================================================
[This message contained attachments]
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 01:36:59 -0000
From: "Russell Sparkes" <rjs@inorbit.com>
Subject: Re: any way to mirror stats?
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, angstboy@e... wrote:
>
> Okay, I have done this, it worked, thanks.
>
> Now, one more question, is there a way to clean it up so there's no
> slash? I can't find any way to do it in the datadef or as a race
> option to only show attributes without the slash (either 'base'
> or 'stat'), and when I try to do "base:qty=(qty)" it gives me an
> error message, I guess you can't reflexively define a stat?
>
(Chuckle) Another one that I already have on the wishlist for Rob (I
hope it's on the list, I know I've asked about it before
, a way to modify the base stat using chld:
At the moment you need two stats, one you modify using your options,
the other you have as a derived stat (via the definition file.
For example: Stat1 is hidden and it's the stat you do your stuffing
with, then you have another stat, Stat, that is not hidden and is
defined to be equal to Stat1.
I don't think I explained that very well, look back through the
archives for this egroup, Rob has explained it much better before.
Enjoy,
Russell.
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 8
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:00:52 +1000
From: "David Williams" <dow123@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Warmaster
Hi
I was wondering if you are doing a Kislev army as I am keen to buy an army, but want to know what in there forst.
Thanks
David Williams
Canberra, Australia
[This message contained attachments]
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 9
Date: 27 Nov 2000 11:04:28 +0100
From: "Robert Gaida" <Robert.Gaida@telebel.de>
Subject: Download problems
Hello, this is Robert, germany.
I´m not a member of the mailing list.
I got a problem downloading the files for the new warhammer.
All i got is symbols and letters as a text.
Since i´m a ab-user of PC i´m lost here and would be thankful for any
help.
HELP!
(ahem....)
Also found a datafile with e-groups, and being able to download it, but
the army builder programm gives me the error-report
Error in parsing attributes of race (empire).
Again - im lost.
Thank you very much
Robert Gaida
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________