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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. bug in beta4 files for Imperial guard
From: yoda@cox.rr.com
2. RE: Warhammer Ancients files maintenance
From: Mike Marshall <mike@themarshallplace.com>
3. Creating Mordheim halflings
From: Marco Keja <m.keja@rnv.nl>
4. RE: bug in beta4 files for Imperial guard
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
5. egroups help
From: justicar@mac.com
6. egroups help
From: doublenot7@aol.com
7. Re: egroups help
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
8. Download it for free???
From: "David Wilkin" <DWWilkin@aol.com>
9. Re: Creating Mordheim halflings
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
10. Re: Download it for free???
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
11. Re: Warhammer Ancients files maintenance
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
12. Re: Creating Mordheim halflings
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
13. Re: bug in beta4 files for Imperial guard
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
14. Re: Creating Mordheim halflings
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
15. Re: Download it for free???
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
16. Raving Hoards
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
17. Re: Download it for free???
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
18. Re: Download it for free???
From: "Gamer's Conclave" <gamers@gamersconclave.com>
19. Re: Download it for free???
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
20. Re: bug in beta4 files for Imperial guard
From: yoda@cox.rr.com
21. 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
From: "Mike Chastain" <machast@kscable.com>
22. Re: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
From: trent <felix@medford.net>
23. Re: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
From: "Mike Chastain" <machast@kscable.com>
24. Re: Re: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
From: trent <felix@medford.net>
25. Re: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
From: "Mike Chastain" <machast@kscable.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:54:13 -0000
From: yoda@cox.rr.com
Subject: bug in beta4 files for Imperial guard
in the HQ list is missing sentinel squardron
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:05:12 -0400
From: Mike Marshall <mike@themarshallplace.com>
Subject: RE: Warhammer Ancients files maintenance
Feel free to take over the files. As you've probably guessed from me not
getting back in touch with you I'm just to busy to deal with the files so
consider them yours
Mike Marshall
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:06:36 +0200
From: Marco Keja <m.keja@rnv.nl>
Subject: Creating Mordheim halflings
Hi there,
Using the designertool I'm trying to create a halfling race for
Mordheim to use with Army Builder. I've come to the point where
I give in the equipmentlist. From looking in some other lists I
already figured out some of the weaponnames. Is there some kind
of easy way to list all the possible "option links"??
Thanks in advance,
Marco.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:13:55 -0700
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
Subject: RE: bug in beta4 files for Imperial guard
> From: yoda@cox.rr.com [mailto:yoda@cox.rr.com]
>
> in the HQ list is missing sentinel squardron
>
Actually, it's under Fast Attack, but you have to select "Command Section"
to attach the squadron as part of the Command Section.
BTW: It doesn't appear to work. When I select command section I get a
validation error: "One of your sentinal squadrons is attached to the command
section, but their is no command section to attach to.
IMHO: The IG list is a little clunky to use. I'm not sure what the reasoning
is for having all the that stuff under "other". Maybe I'll try redesigning
it and maybe improve upon it...
Shawn Campbell
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:37:31 -0000
From: justicar@mac.com
Subject: egroups help
sorry to send this here, but egroups support apparently is down.
Am I the only person that isn't getting any email from egroups? (I
have checked, I am on Individual Emails, not No Mail
thanks for any help
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:28:09 EDT
From: doublenot7@aol.com
Subject: egroups help
I have been receiving egroup emails.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:36:35 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: egroups help
It's a sporadic problem on eGroups. It has happened to me for up to a week
at a time. They claim there is nothing wrong with their system, yet it has
happened multiple times, so it's a dead-end, pain in the butt, nuisance. :-(
Thanks, Rob
At 07:37 PM 10/11/00 +0000, you wrote:
>sorry to send this here, but egroups support apparently is down.
>Am I the only person that isn't getting any email from egroups? (I
>have checked, I am on Individual Emails, not No Mail
>
>thanks for any help
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:53:07 -0000
From: "David Wilkin" <DWWilkin@aol.com>
Subject: Download it for free???
Hi, I just noticed that when I printed out my roster, it says Free at
the bottom of the page..
I am using the CD version. 2.0 I believe.
I think this might be a little misleading when handed out. Maybe
"Demo
if for Free"
Just a thought...
David
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:38:43 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Creating Mordheim halflings
All of the main options for Mordheim are conveniently in a single data
file. You can keep a second copy of ABCreator open to view these options.
Or, you can use the Export mechansm under the File menu in ABCreator to
write out all the key option information to a text file. You can print this
file and keep it handy as a reference. I tend to do the former, but both
methods are useful.
Hope this helps,
Rob
At 05:06 PM 10/11/00 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>Using the designertool I'm trying to create a halfling race for
>Mordheim to use with Army Builder. I've come to the point where
>I give in the equipmentlist. From looking in some other lists I
>already figured out some of the weaponnames. Is there some kind
>of easy way to list all the possible "option links"??
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
> Marco.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:12:57 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Download it for free???
The intent is not that the product is free. The intent is that taking the
product for a test drive is completely free. The vast majority of products
require that you buy them before you can try them out. I really hate that.
So, AB is free to download and use, albeit the maximum size roster is kept
small so that its use is purely for testing it out. It's the same as going
to your local car dealer and taking a car for a test drive. You get to
drive the car around the block, not take a 3000 mile road trip with it. The
user who is curious about AB can download it for free, then take it for a
test drive and see if he likes it before having to spend his hard-earned
cash on it. Given this, is the text really that misleading?
Thanks, Rob
At 08:53 PM 10/11/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi, I just noticed that when I printed out my roster, it says Free at
>the bottom of the page..
>
>I am using the CD version. 2.0 I believe.
>
>I think this might be a little misleading when handed out. Maybe
>"Demo
>if for Free"
>
>Just a thought...
>
>David
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Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:49:06 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Warhammer Ancients files maintenance
Since Mike has officially relinquished responsibility for the files to you,
please do the following:
1. Send me the data files whenever you update them. I'll make sure they get
updated on the Wolf Lair site.
2. Send me the email address you would like me to post on the web-site,
since you're the new "maintainer".
3. If you haven't already, please look into the problem with composition
groups being scrambled for some armies.
4. If you haven't already, please check into the problems with a armies and
accessing their allies.
5. V2.0 has added a few mechanisms that will assist in WAB. For example,
the army lists that had limits on combinations of war machines should now
be able to be modeled better. You might consider revising the files to take
advantage of this.
6. I'm sure folks would appreciate if you switched the validation messages
to use English instead of AB's computer-generated messages. This should be
a very quick and easy process now, so I recommend taking advantage of the
new custom messages facility.
Both #3 and #4 are recurring issues that get reported to me, so I'm
flagging them to your attention. If you could take a look at them when you
get a chance, that would be great. Also, perhaps Mike has assembled a bug
list of some sort with open issues that he can email to you.
Thanks for taking over the files! My suggestions in #5 and #6 are certainly
not required, but I thought you might find them worth pursuing if you want
to enhance the files a bit further.
If you run into any questions or problems while working on the files,
please don't hesitate to ask me questions. I will do my best to offer
suggestions and ideas on how you can leverage AB to accomplish the task.
Thanks, Rob
At 09:03 AM 10/11/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Hello
>I have made some updates to the WAB data files - specifically, added
>a file for the new book 'Fall of the West'. I have tried getting in
>touch with Mike Marshall, who is listed as the maintainer of the
>files, but have not had any response. Do you know whether he is still
>involved? I would be happy to take over maintaining these files, but
>I don't want to step on anyone's toes!
>
>My updated import file is available on the WABList & ab-files egroups
>files areas, called wab08102000.ab
>
>cheers
>Edward
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:21:23 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Creating Mordheim halflings
One fine day in the middle of the night, Marco Keja <m.keja@rnv.nl> got
up to write:
>Hi there,
>
>Using the designertool I'm trying to create a halfling race for
>Mordheim to use with Army Builder. I've come to the point where
>I give in the equipmentlist. From looking in some other lists I
>already figured out some of the weaponnames. Is there some kind
>of easy way to list all the possible "option links"??
I don't think so. Most of them are in options.mor, though.
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:20:28 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: bug in beta4 files for Imperial guard
One fine day in the middle of the night, Shawn Campbell
<shawn@electricstitch.com> got up to write:
>BTW: It doesn't appear to work. When I select command section I get a
>validation error: "One of your sentinal squadrons is attached to the command
>section, but their is no command section to attach to.
Dangit.
>IMHO: The IG list is a little clunky to use. I'm not sure what the reasoning
>is for having all the that stuff under "other". Maybe I'll try redesigning
>it and maybe improve upon it...
The reason it's been done this way is because the alternative is to have
enormous units that won't be able to be displayed on the screen and
won't print out. This is due to an odd bug in the Windows combobox, or
something. I can't see any better way of doing it than the current one
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:11:59 -0400
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
Subject: Re: Creating Mordheim halflings
you should take a look at our house rules mordheim data files. We've come up with halfling rules.
It can be downloaded at www.hillcity-comics.com/tmadsen/ab/ab.htm
Toller Madsen
tmadsen@tbaytel.net
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----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Keja
To: armybuilder@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 11:06 AM
Subject: [AB] Creating Mordheim halflings
Hi there,
Using the designertool I'm trying to create a halfling race for
Mordheim to use with Army Builder. I've come to the point where
I give in the equipmentlist. From looking in some other lists I
already figured out some of the weaponnames. Is there some kind
of easy way to list all the possible "option links"??
Thanks in advance,
Marco.
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:13:53 -0400
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
Subject: Re: Download it for free???
Is there a way to turn that off. I've bought a copy of AB and that still prints out. I'm all for advertising but if you have a CD Version or Registered you should be able to turn it off.
Toller Madsen
tmadsen@tbaytel.net
toller@hillcity-coimcs.com
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From: Rob Bowes
To: armybuilder@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AB] Download it for free???
The intent is not that the product is free. The intent is that taking the
product for a test drive is completely free. The vast majority of products
require that you buy them before you can try them out. I really hate that.
So, AB is free to download and use, albeit the maximum size roster is kept
small so that its use is purely for testing it out. It's the same as going
to your local car dealer and taking a car for a test drive. You get to
drive the car around the block, not take a 3000 mile road trip with it. The
user who is curious about AB can download it for free, then take it for a
test drive and see if he likes it before having to spend his hard-earned
cash on it. Given this, is the text really that misleading?
Thanks, Rob
At 08:53 PM 10/11/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi, I just noticed that when I printed out my roster, it says Free at
>the bottom of the page..
>
>I am using the CD version. 2.0 I believe.
>
>I think this might be a little misleading when handed out. Maybe
>"Demo
>if for Free"
>
>Just a thought...
>
>David
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:15:34 -0400
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
Subject: Raving Hoards
Which are the Real Raving Hoard data files. There is one folder that says Raving Hoard and there is a data file for Raving Hoard under the Warhammer Fantasy.
Thanks,
Toller Madsen
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:35:46 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Download it for free???
There's no way to turn it off presently. It's extremely tiny and at the
bottom of the roster, so it doesn't clutter things up any. The main reason
it's there is because the printed rosters are a major means by which other
gamers see the product. They see you with your roster, like it, ask about
it, look at it, and there at the bottom is exactly the info they need to go
check AB out for themselves. It's been there since V1.0 (more than 2 years
ago), and this is the very first time that anyone has mentioned anything
negative about it - although there have been many positive comments made
about how useful it's been to spread the word about the product. Do you
honestly feel it's an important issue?
Thanks, Rob
At 07:13 PM 10/11/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Is there a way to turn that off. I've bought a copy of AB and that still
>prints out. I'm all for advertising but if you have a CD Version or
>Registered you should be able to turn it off.
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:50:43 -0500
From: "Gamer's Conclave" <gamers@gamersconclave.com>
Subject: Re: Download it for free???
One thing that was mentioned was to allow the line to be edited on versions purchased for in-store use. We keep a copy running for our players in store, and I'd love to have it print out my store name and address, since alot of our players come in to use it to build their armies, even when playing in tournaments elsewhere. Then *I* could get the mileage out of it when another player with writer's cramp asks our player, "Hey...where did you get that nifty thing?!" and he replies, "Right here...take this copy and call this store. They can sell ya a copy of the software for your very own." <grins>
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From: Rob Bowes
To: armybuilder@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AB] Download it for free???
There's no way to turn it off presently. It's extremely tiny and at the bottom of the roster, so it doesn't clutter things up any. The main reason it's there is because the printed rosters are a major means by which other gamers see the product. They see you with your roster, like it, ask about it, look at it, and there at the bottom is exactly the info they need to go check AB out for themselves. It's been there since V1.0 (more than 2 years ago), and this is the very first time that anyone has mentioned anything negative about it - although there have been many positive comments made about how useful it's been to spread the word about the product. Do you honestly feel it's an important issue?
Thanks, Rob
At 07:13 PM 10/11/00 -0400, you wrote:
Is there a way to turn that off. I've bought a copy of AB and that still prints out. I'm all for advertising but if you have a CD Version or Registered you should be able to turn it off.
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:12:26 -0400
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
Subject: Re: Download it for free???
I strongly aggree. Same goes with my store. That was more to what I was thinking (just didn't put that down)
Toller Madsen
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From: Gamer's Conclave
To: armybuilder@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AB] Download it for free???
One thing that was mentioned was to allow the line to be edited on versions purchased for in-store use. We keep a copy running for our players in store, and I'd love to have it print out my store name and address, since alot of our players come in to use it to build their armies, even when playing in tournaments elsewhere. Then *I* could get the mileage out of it when another player with writer's cramp asks our player, "Hey...where did you get that nifty thing?!" and he replies, "Right here...take this copy and call this store. They can sell ya a copy of the software for your very own." <grins>
Michele Kraus
Gamer's Conclave
539 N. Causeway Blvd.
Mandeville LA 70471
(504) 624-9877
(504) 624-9322 fax
(504) 236-3763 cell
Email: gamers@gamersconclave.com
Website: www.gamersconclave.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Bowes
To: armybuilder@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AB] Download it for free???
There's no way to turn it off presently. It's extremely tiny and at the bottom of the roster, so it doesn't clutter things up any. The main reason it's there is because the printed rosters are a major means by which other gamers see the product. They see you with your roster, like it, ask about it, look at it, and there at the bottom is exactly the info they need to go check AB out for themselves. It's been there since V1.0 (more than 2 years ago), and this is the very first time that anyone has mentioned anything negative about it - although there have been many positive comments made about how useful it's been to spread the word about the product. Do you honestly feel it's an important issue?
Thanks, Rob
At 07:13 PM 10/11/00 -0400, you wrote:
Is there a way to turn that off. I've bought a copy of AB and that still prints out. I'm all for advertising but if you have a CD Version or Registered you should be able to turn it off.
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:07:41 -0000
From: yoda@cox.rr.com
Subject: Re: bug in beta4 files for Imperial guard
what i am talking about is in the rules for the HQ command platoom
the command hq points list says sentinel squadron: the platoon may
include one sentinel, see the fast attack for points values and
upgrades. the sentinel operate as a separate unit, including for set-
up and reserves rolls.
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:13:09 -0000
From: "Mike Chastain" <machast@kscable.com>
Subject: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
Ok, maybe we are just interpreting the rules differently? But,
SW Grey Hunters when armed with a Bolter & CCW recieve two attacks
when charged and when they charge as well. The text of the 'True
Grit' rule simply states that a bolter is considered a bolt pistol
for HtH but in exchange they do not get the bonus +1 Attack for
charging like other units do.
Summary:
Grey Hunter with Bolter/CCW charging = 2 attacks
Grey Hunter with Bolter/CCW getting charged = 2 attacks
Am I crazy?
Mike
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:18:22 -0700
From: trent <felix@medford.net>
Subject: Re: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
Your logic is flawed, but the outcome is the same. TG allow's the SW to
use is bolter as a CC Wpn as long as he didn't charge. SO -
Bolter and CC Wpn Charging -> 2 attacks (one for his stat, one for
the charge)
All subsequent rounds (and being charged) -> 2 attacks (one for
his stat, one for TG)
BoltPistol and CC Wpn Charging -> 3 attacks (one for stat, one for
charge, one for extra ccwpn)
All subsequent rounds (and being charged) -> 2 attacks (one for
his stat, one for extra ccwpn)
got it?
At 01:13 AM 10/12/2000 +0000, you wrote:
> Ok, maybe we are just interpreting the rules differently? But,
>SW Grey Hunters when armed with a Bolter & CCW recieve two attacks
>when charged and when they charge as well. The text of the 'True
>Grit' rule simply states that a bolter is considered a bolt pistol
>for HtH but in exchange they do not get the bonus +1 Attack for
>charging like other units do.
>
>Summary:
>Grey Hunter with Bolter/CCW charging = 2 attacks
>Grey Hunter with Bolter/CCW getting charged = 2 attacks
>
>
>Am I crazy?
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, email
>
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:07:11 -0000
From: "Mike Chastain" <machast@kscable.com>
Subject: Re: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, trent <felix@m...> wrote:
>Bolter and CC Wpn Charging -> 2 attacks (one for his stat, one for
> the charge)
Hate to quote the dex on 'True Grit' but, "In game terms, this
means that they may count their bolter as a bolt pistol in close
comabt and will therefore be allowed to roll an extra Attack dice if
they are equiped with a second pistol or close combat weapon.
However, a model using their bolter in this manner may not recieve
the attack bonus for charging..."
True grit negates the charge bonus.
Regardless, this is incorrectly reflected in the SW AB files.
Mike
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:11:49 -0700
From: trent <felix@medford.net>
Subject: Re: Re: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
At 02:07 AM 10/12/2000 +0000, you wrote:
> Hate to quote the dex on 'True Grit' but, "In game terms, this
>means that they may count their bolter as a bolt pistol in close
>comabt and will therefore be allowed to roll an extra Attack dice if
>they are equiped with a second pistol or close combat weapon.
>However, a model using their bolter in this manner may not recieve
>the attack bonus for charging..."
>
>True grit negates the charge bonus.
Don't have my 'dex handy - but what your trying to tell me is that
a normal marine (or even one carrying a heavy weapon) will get an attack
bonus on the charge, but someone with true grit won't?
trent
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:22:25 -0000
From: "Mike Chastain" <machast@kscable.com>
Subject: Re: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, trent <felix@m...> wrote:
> Don't have my 'dex handy - but what your trying to tell me
is that
> a normal marine (or even one carrying a heavy weapon) will get an
attack
> bonus on the charge, but someone with true grit won't?
Actually, just if he is using the bolter as a bolt pistol. Which
means if he keeps that bolt pistol, he keeps the charge bonus.
So, it's just the 'True Grit' and bolter/CCW combination that is
affected.
Mike
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Topics in this digest:
1. bug in beta4 files for Imperial guard
From: yoda@cox.rr.com
2. RE: Warhammer Ancients files maintenance
From: Mike Marshall <mike@themarshallplace.com>
3. Creating Mordheim halflings
From: Marco Keja <m.keja@rnv.nl>
4. RE: bug in beta4 files for Imperial guard
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
5. egroups help
From: justicar@mac.com
6. egroups help
From: doublenot7@aol.com
7. Re: egroups help
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
8. Download it for free???
From: "David Wilkin" <DWWilkin@aol.com>
9. Re: Creating Mordheim halflings
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
10. Re: Download it for free???
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
11. Re: Warhammer Ancients files maintenance
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
12. Re: Creating Mordheim halflings
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
13. Re: bug in beta4 files for Imperial guard
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
14. Re: Creating Mordheim halflings
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
15. Re: Download it for free???
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
16. Raving Hoards
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
17. Re: Download it for free???
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
18. Re: Download it for free???
From: "Gamer's Conclave" <gamers@gamersconclave.com>
19. Re: Download it for free???
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
20. Re: bug in beta4 files for Imperial guard
From: yoda@cox.rr.com
21. 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
From: "Mike Chastain" <machast@kscable.com>
22. Re: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
From: trent <felix@medford.net>
23. Re: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
From: "Mike Chastain" <machast@kscable.com>
24. Re: Re: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
From: trent <felix@medford.net>
25. Re: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
From: "Mike Chastain" <machast@kscable.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:54:13 -0000
From: yoda@cox.rr.com
Subject: bug in beta4 files for Imperial guard
in the HQ list is missing sentinel squardron
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:05:12 -0400
From: Mike Marshall <mike@themarshallplace.com>
Subject: RE: Warhammer Ancients files maintenance
Feel free to take over the files. As you've probably guessed from me not
getting back in touch with you I'm just to busy to deal with the files so
consider them yours
Mike Marshall
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:06:36 +0200
From: Marco Keja <m.keja@rnv.nl>
Subject: Creating Mordheim halflings
Hi there,
Using the designertool I'm trying to create a halfling race for
Mordheim to use with Army Builder. I've come to the point where
I give in the equipmentlist. From looking in some other lists I
already figured out some of the weaponnames. Is there some kind
of easy way to list all the possible "option links"??
Thanks in advance,
Marco.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:13:55 -0700
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
Subject: RE: bug in beta4 files for Imperial guard
> From: yoda@cox.rr.com [mailto:yoda@cox.rr.com]
>
> in the HQ list is missing sentinel squardron
>
Actually, it's under Fast Attack, but you have to select "Command Section"
to attach the squadron as part of the Command Section.
BTW: It doesn't appear to work. When I select command section I get a
validation error: "One of your sentinal squadrons is attached to the command
section, but their is no command section to attach to.
IMHO: The IG list is a little clunky to use. I'm not sure what the reasoning
is for having all the that stuff under "other". Maybe I'll try redesigning
it and maybe improve upon it...
Shawn Campbell
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:37:31 -0000
From: justicar@mac.com
Subject: egroups help
sorry to send this here, but egroups support apparently is down.
Am I the only person that isn't getting any email from egroups? (I
have checked, I am on Individual Emails, not No Mail
thanks for any help
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:28:09 EDT
From: doublenot7@aol.com
Subject: egroups help
I have been receiving egroup emails.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:36:35 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: egroups help
It's a sporadic problem on eGroups. It has happened to me for up to a week
at a time. They claim there is nothing wrong with their system, yet it has
happened multiple times, so it's a dead-end, pain in the butt, nuisance. :-(
Thanks, Rob
At 07:37 PM 10/11/00 +0000, you wrote:
>sorry to send this here, but egroups support apparently is down.
>Am I the only person that isn't getting any email from egroups? (I
>have checked, I am on Individual Emails, not No Mail
>
>thanks for any help
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:53:07 -0000
From: "David Wilkin" <DWWilkin@aol.com>
Subject: Download it for free???
Hi, I just noticed that when I printed out my roster, it says Free at
the bottom of the page..
I am using the CD version. 2.0 I believe.
I think this might be a little misleading when handed out. Maybe
"Demo
if for Free"
Just a thought...
David
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:38:43 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Creating Mordheim halflings
All of the main options for Mordheim are conveniently in a single data
file. You can keep a second copy of ABCreator open to view these options.
Or, you can use the Export mechansm under the File menu in ABCreator to
write out all the key option information to a text file. You can print this
file and keep it handy as a reference. I tend to do the former, but both
methods are useful.
Hope this helps,
Rob
At 05:06 PM 10/11/00 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>Using the designertool I'm trying to create a halfling race for
>Mordheim to use with Army Builder. I've come to the point where
>I give in the equipmentlist. From looking in some other lists I
>already figured out some of the weaponnames. Is there some kind
>of easy way to list all the possible "option links"??
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
> Marco.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:12:57 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Download it for free???
The intent is not that the product is free. The intent is that taking the
product for a test drive is completely free. The vast majority of products
require that you buy them before you can try them out. I really hate that.
So, AB is free to download and use, albeit the maximum size roster is kept
small so that its use is purely for testing it out. It's the same as going
to your local car dealer and taking a car for a test drive. You get to
drive the car around the block, not take a 3000 mile road trip with it. The
user who is curious about AB can download it for free, then take it for a
test drive and see if he likes it before having to spend his hard-earned
cash on it. Given this, is the text really that misleading?
Thanks, Rob
At 08:53 PM 10/11/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi, I just noticed that when I printed out my roster, it says Free at
>the bottom of the page..
>
>I am using the CD version. 2.0 I believe.
>
>I think this might be a little misleading when handed out. Maybe
>"Demo
>if for Free"
>
>Just a thought...
>
>David
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:49:06 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Warhammer Ancients files maintenance
Since Mike has officially relinquished responsibility for the files to you,
please do the following:
1. Send me the data files whenever you update them. I'll make sure they get
updated on the Wolf Lair site.
2. Send me the email address you would like me to post on the web-site,
since you're the new "maintainer".
3. If you haven't already, please look into the problem with composition
groups being scrambled for some armies.
4. If you haven't already, please check into the problems with a armies and
accessing their allies.
5. V2.0 has added a few mechanisms that will assist in WAB. For example,
the army lists that had limits on combinations of war machines should now
be able to be modeled better. You might consider revising the files to take
advantage of this.
6. I'm sure folks would appreciate if you switched the validation messages
to use English instead of AB's computer-generated messages. This should be
a very quick and easy process now, so I recommend taking advantage of the
new custom messages facility.
Both #3 and #4 are recurring issues that get reported to me, so I'm
flagging them to your attention. If you could take a look at them when you
get a chance, that would be great. Also, perhaps Mike has assembled a bug
list of some sort with open issues that he can email to you.
Thanks for taking over the files! My suggestions in #5 and #6 are certainly
not required, but I thought you might find them worth pursuing if you want
to enhance the files a bit further.
If you run into any questions or problems while working on the files,
please don't hesitate to ask me questions. I will do my best to offer
suggestions and ideas on how you can leverage AB to accomplish the task.
Thanks, Rob
At 09:03 AM 10/11/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Hello
>I have made some updates to the WAB data files - specifically, added
>a file for the new book 'Fall of the West'. I have tried getting in
>touch with Mike Marshall, who is listed as the maintainer of the
>files, but have not had any response. Do you know whether he is still
>involved? I would be happy to take over maintaining these files, but
>I don't want to step on anyone's toes!
>
>My updated import file is available on the WABList & ab-files egroups
>files areas, called wab08102000.ab
>
>cheers
>Edward
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:21:23 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Creating Mordheim halflings
One fine day in the middle of the night, Marco Keja <m.keja@rnv.nl> got
up to write:
>Hi there,
>
>Using the designertool I'm trying to create a halfling race for
>Mordheim to use with Army Builder. I've come to the point where
>I give in the equipmentlist. From looking in some other lists I
>already figured out some of the weaponnames. Is there some kind
>of easy way to list all the possible "option links"??
I don't think so. Most of them are in options.mor, though.
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:20:28 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: bug in beta4 files for Imperial guard
One fine day in the middle of the night, Shawn Campbell
<shawn@electricstitch.com> got up to write:
>BTW: It doesn't appear to work. When I select command section I get a
>validation error: "One of your sentinal squadrons is attached to the command
>section, but their is no command section to attach to.
Dangit.
>IMHO: The IG list is a little clunky to use. I'm not sure what the reasoning
>is for having all the that stuff under "other". Maybe I'll try redesigning
>it and maybe improve upon it...
The reason it's been done this way is because the alternative is to have
enormous units that won't be able to be displayed on the screen and
won't print out. This is due to an odd bug in the Windows combobox, or
something. I can't see any better way of doing it than the current one
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:11:59 -0400
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
Subject: Re: Creating Mordheim halflings
you should take a look at our house rules mordheim data files. We've come up with halfling rules.
It can be downloaded at www.hillcity-comics.com/tmadsen/ab/ab.htm
Toller Madsen
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----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Keja
To: armybuilder@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 11:06 AM
Subject: [AB] Creating Mordheim halflings
Hi there,
Using the designertool I'm trying to create a halfling race for
Mordheim to use with Army Builder. I've come to the point where
I give in the equipmentlist. From looking in some other lists I
already figured out some of the weaponnames. Is there some kind
of easy way to list all the possible "option links"??
Thanks in advance,
Marco.
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:13:53 -0400
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
Subject: Re: Download it for free???
Is there a way to turn that off. I've bought a copy of AB and that still prints out. I'm all for advertising but if you have a CD Version or Registered you should be able to turn it off.
Toller Madsen
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From: Rob Bowes
To: armybuilder@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AB] Download it for free???
The intent is not that the product is free. The intent is that taking the
product for a test drive is completely free. The vast majority of products
require that you buy them before you can try them out. I really hate that.
So, AB is free to download and use, albeit the maximum size roster is kept
small so that its use is purely for testing it out. It's the same as going
to your local car dealer and taking a car for a test drive. You get to
drive the car around the block, not take a 3000 mile road trip with it. The
user who is curious about AB can download it for free, then take it for a
test drive and see if he likes it before having to spend his hard-earned
cash on it. Given this, is the text really that misleading?
Thanks, Rob
At 08:53 PM 10/11/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi, I just noticed that when I printed out my roster, it says Free at
>the bottom of the page..
>
>I am using the CD version. 2.0 I believe.
>
>I think this might be a little misleading when handed out. Maybe
>"Demo
>if for Free"
>
>Just a thought...
>
>David
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:15:34 -0400
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
Subject: Raving Hoards
Which are the Real Raving Hoard data files. There is one folder that says Raving Hoard and there is a data file for Raving Hoard under the Warhammer Fantasy.
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:35:46 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Download it for free???
There's no way to turn it off presently. It's extremely tiny and at the
bottom of the roster, so it doesn't clutter things up any. The main reason
it's there is because the printed rosters are a major means by which other
gamers see the product. They see you with your roster, like it, ask about
it, look at it, and there at the bottom is exactly the info they need to go
check AB out for themselves. It's been there since V1.0 (more than 2 years
ago), and this is the very first time that anyone has mentioned anything
negative about it - although there have been many positive comments made
about how useful it's been to spread the word about the product. Do you
honestly feel it's an important issue?
Thanks, Rob
At 07:13 PM 10/11/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Is there a way to turn that off. I've bought a copy of AB and that still
>prints out. I'm all for advertising but if you have a CD Version or
>Registered you should be able to turn it off.
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:50:43 -0500
From: "Gamer's Conclave" <gamers@gamersconclave.com>
Subject: Re: Download it for free???
One thing that was mentioned was to allow the line to be edited on versions purchased for in-store use. We keep a copy running for our players in store, and I'd love to have it print out my store name and address, since alot of our players come in to use it to build their armies, even when playing in tournaments elsewhere. Then *I* could get the mileage out of it when another player with writer's cramp asks our player, "Hey...where did you get that nifty thing?!" and he replies, "Right here...take this copy and call this store. They can sell ya a copy of the software for your very own." <grins>
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From: Rob Bowes
To: armybuilder@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AB] Download it for free???
There's no way to turn it off presently. It's extremely tiny and at the bottom of the roster, so it doesn't clutter things up any. The main reason it's there is because the printed rosters are a major means by which other gamers see the product. They see you with your roster, like it, ask about it, look at it, and there at the bottom is exactly the info they need to go check AB out for themselves. It's been there since V1.0 (more than 2 years ago), and this is the very first time that anyone has mentioned anything negative about it - although there have been many positive comments made about how useful it's been to spread the word about the product. Do you honestly feel it's an important issue?
Thanks, Rob
At 07:13 PM 10/11/00 -0400, you wrote:
Is there a way to turn that off. I've bought a copy of AB and that still prints out. I'm all for advertising but if you have a CD Version or Registered you should be able to turn it off.
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:12:26 -0400
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
Subject: Re: Download it for free???
I strongly aggree. Same goes with my store. That was more to what I was thinking (just didn't put that down)
Toller Madsen
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From: Gamer's Conclave
To: armybuilder@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AB] Download it for free???
One thing that was mentioned was to allow the line to be edited on versions purchased for in-store use. We keep a copy running for our players in store, and I'd love to have it print out my store name and address, since alot of our players come in to use it to build their armies, even when playing in tournaments elsewhere. Then *I* could get the mileage out of it when another player with writer's cramp asks our player, "Hey...where did you get that nifty thing?!" and he replies, "Right here...take this copy and call this store. They can sell ya a copy of the software for your very own." <grins>
Michele Kraus
Gamer's Conclave
539 N. Causeway Blvd.
Mandeville LA 70471
(504) 624-9877
(504) 624-9322 fax
(504) 236-3763 cell
Email: gamers@gamersconclave.com
Website: www.gamersconclave.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Bowes
To: armybuilder@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AB] Download it for free???
There's no way to turn it off presently. It's extremely tiny and at the bottom of the roster, so it doesn't clutter things up any. The main reason it's there is because the printed rosters are a major means by which other gamers see the product. They see you with your roster, like it, ask about it, look at it, and there at the bottom is exactly the info they need to go check AB out for themselves. It's been there since V1.0 (more than 2 years ago), and this is the very first time that anyone has mentioned anything negative about it - although there have been many positive comments made about how useful it's been to spread the word about the product. Do you honestly feel it's an important issue?
Thanks, Rob
At 07:13 PM 10/11/00 -0400, you wrote:
Is there a way to turn that off. I've bought a copy of AB and that still prints out. I'm all for advertising but if you have a CD Version or Registered you should be able to turn it off.
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:07:41 -0000
From: yoda@cox.rr.com
Subject: Re: bug in beta4 files for Imperial guard
what i am talking about is in the rules for the HQ command platoom
the command hq points list says sentinel squadron: the platoon may
include one sentinel, see the fast attack for points values and
upgrades. the sentinel operate as a separate unit, including for set-
up and reserves rolls.
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:13:09 -0000
From: "Mike Chastain" <machast@kscable.com>
Subject: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
Ok, maybe we are just interpreting the rules differently? But,
SW Grey Hunters when armed with a Bolter & CCW recieve two attacks
when charged and when they charge as well. The text of the 'True
Grit' rule simply states that a bolter is considered a bolt pistol
for HtH but in exchange they do not get the bonus +1 Attack for
charging like other units do.
Summary:
Grey Hunter with Bolter/CCW charging = 2 attacks
Grey Hunter with Bolter/CCW getting charged = 2 attacks
Am I crazy?
Mike
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:18:22 -0700
From: trent <felix@medford.net>
Subject: Re: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
Your logic is flawed, but the outcome is the same. TG allow's the SW to
use is bolter as a CC Wpn as long as he didn't charge. SO -
Bolter and CC Wpn Charging -> 2 attacks (one for his stat, one for
the charge)
All subsequent rounds (and being charged) -> 2 attacks (one for
his stat, one for TG)
BoltPistol and CC Wpn Charging -> 3 attacks (one for stat, one for
charge, one for extra ccwpn)
All subsequent rounds (and being charged) -> 2 attacks (one for
his stat, one for extra ccwpn)
got it?
At 01:13 AM 10/12/2000 +0000, you wrote:
> Ok, maybe we are just interpreting the rules differently? But,
>SW Grey Hunters when armed with a Bolter & CCW recieve two attacks
>when charged and when they charge as well. The text of the 'True
>Grit' rule simply states that a bolter is considered a bolt pistol
>for HtH but in exchange they do not get the bonus +1 Attack for
>charging like other units do.
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>Summary:
>Grey Hunter with Bolter/CCW charging = 2 attacks
>Grey Hunter with Bolter/CCW getting charged = 2 attacks
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>Am I crazy?
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>Mike
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:07:11 -0000
From: "Mike Chastain" <machast@kscable.com>
Subject: Re: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, trent <felix@m...> wrote:
>Bolter and CC Wpn Charging -> 2 attacks (one for his stat, one for
> the charge)
Hate to quote the dex on 'True Grit' but, "In game terms, this
means that they may count their bolter as a bolt pistol in close
comabt and will therefore be allowed to roll an extra Attack dice if
they are equiped with a second pistol or close combat weapon.
However, a model using their bolter in this manner may not recieve
the attack bonus for charging..."
True grit negates the charge bonus.
Regardless, this is incorrectly reflected in the SW AB files.
Mike
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:11:49 -0700
From: trent <felix@medford.net>
Subject: Re: Re: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
At 02:07 AM 10/12/2000 +0000, you wrote:
> Hate to quote the dex on 'True Grit' but, "In game terms, this
>means that they may count their bolter as a bolt pistol in close
>comabt and will therefore be allowed to roll an extra Attack dice if
>they are equiped with a second pistol or close combat weapon.
>However, a model using their bolter in this manner may not recieve
>the attack bonus for charging..."
>
>True grit negates the charge bonus.
Don't have my 'dex handy - but what your trying to tell me is that
a normal marine (or even one carrying a heavy weapon) will get an attack
bonus on the charge, but someone with true grit won't?
trent
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:22:25 -0000
From: "Mike Chastain" <machast@kscable.com>
Subject: Re: 40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, trent <felix@m...> wrote:
> Don't have my 'dex handy - but what your trying to tell me
is that
> a normal marine (or even one carrying a heavy weapon) will get an
attack
> bonus on the charge, but someone with true grit won't?
Actually, just if he is using the bolter as a bolt pistol. Which
means if he keeps that bolt pistol, he keeps the charge bonus.
So, it's just the 'True Grit' and bolter/CCW combination that is
affected.
Mike
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