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There are 13 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Ravening Hordes
From: "Dieter Passchier" <Dieter.Passchier@Embdena.de>
2. Re: New Empire Armybook
From: "John"Tora" Connell" <connellj@cty-net.ne.jp>
3. Re: RE: Beta-III soon for release
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
4. Re: New Empire Armybook
From: "Christepher McKenney" <cam1@nrc.gov>
5. Re: 40k beta3 files
From: David <EvilNuff@yahoo.com>
6. Re: 40k beta3 files
From: "Phil Groff" <philip@psych.utoronto.ca>
7. RE: Re: 40k beta3 files
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
8. Re: Necron Scarab save (Was: Beta-III soon for release)
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
9. RE: Re: 40k beta3 files
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
10. Clan War DE and example Crab Army
From: "David Wilkin" <DWWilkin@aol.com>
11. Re: Hey Rob, small problem
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
12. Re: 40k beta3 files
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
13. Re: Clan War DE and example Crab Army
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:07:09 +0200
From: "Dieter Passchier" <Dieter.Passchier@Embdena.de>
Subject: Ravening Hordes
Hello!
I am a Wood Elves player for Warhammer. I noticed that in Dave´s file a
captain is mandatory for the Glade Guards and Archers and can not be
deactivated. In my (german) Ravening Hordes book that is not the case.
Any comments?
Thanks,
Dieter
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:59:11 -0000
From: "John"Tora" Connell" <connellj@cty-net.ne.jp>
Subject: Re: New Empire Armybook
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, "Dieter Passchier"
>Are there any plans to
> incorporate it into the existing file(s). John, anyone?
>
Hi Dieter,
I was going to write the 6th Ed. files but I believe the guys who
wrote the RH files have teamed up in a joint effort to get them out.
So I'm kinda being lazy and waiting for them.
John Connell
Keeper of the 5th Ed. WFB Files
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:18:40 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: RE: Beta-III soon for release
One fine day in the middle of the night, trent <felix@medford.net> got
up to write:
<snip>
A big "thanks!" to everyone who found stuff saying that the Scarabs
really did have a 4+ save. A big "slap" to both of you who claimed it
was 3+.
--
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:57:29 -0400
From: "Christepher McKenney" <cam1@nrc.gov>
Subject: Re: New Empire Armybook
John, you are correct! We are getting near a kick-off version of our lists combined which will incorporate the Empire Book and the UK RH changes (hopefully Sunday). This will be the set of files we will keep on revising in the future. Our other lists will have the last versions available (I'm doing one more version before putting it in stone) but will be marked as US RH only (no UK RH changes or new army books).
Christepher
>>> connellj@cty-net.ne.jp 10/05 7:59 AM >>>
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, "Dieter Passchier"
>Are there any plans to
> incorporate it into the existing file(s). John, anyone?
>
Hi Dieter,
I was going to write the 6th Ed. files but I believe the guys who
wrote the RH files have teamed up in a joint effort to get them out.
So I'm kinda being lazy and waiting for them.
John Connell
Keeper of the 5th Ed. WFB Files
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:02:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: David <EvilNuff@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 40k beta3 files
>Really? That's strange.
>
>Let's take the Signum as an example. Here are the
>rules it uses to determine availability; if any of
>these are true, it's available.
>
>itst:!type=smTermi&(type=?Techmar|type=Salamander)
>
>There is only one rule controlling it, and that's in
>marines.40k - I know because I just spent 10 minutes
>going through every file looking. Now, if someone
>could explain exactly how the Ork Warboss, which has
>the types:
>Ork
>Warboss
>OrkCommand
>WarChild
>defined satisfies this, please let me know.
I have no idea why but changing the signum to this
line works:
itst:!type=smTermi&(type=?Techmar|type=Salamander)&race=sm
Allows it for all the marine chapters and not for any
other races. It doesn't make any sense to me but I
made the change to my local files and it works for me
as far as I can tell.
-David
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:16:30 -0400
From: "Phil Groff" <philip@psych.utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: 40k beta3 files
Really? That's strange.
Let's take the Signum as an example. Here are the rules it uses to
determine availability; if any of these are true, it's available.
itst:!type=smTermi&(type=?Techmar|type=Salamander)
OK,
I'll take a shot at it from the perspective of formal logic, so it might not quite match programming logic in AB, but here goes...
smTermi & (type=?Techmar | type= Salamander) is the test you are setting up, right? You want to fail this test in order to get the item, right?
Is a warboss smTermi? No, so the first half of conjuction is false is false.
Is a warboss ?Techmar or Salamander? No, the the second half of the conjunction is false.
Therefor the conjunction is false.
Therefor, the item is available (isn't the !type at the left, a negation?).
In short, you've interpreted your test as ~P & (Q or R)
when in reality the test seems to me to be ~(P & (Q or R)).
Let me know if I'm way off base here, but I think the way you've diagrammed the rule later in your posting is inconsistent with the way you've written it above.
My opinions are, of course, worth exactly what you've paid for them.
Phil G.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:11:36 -0700
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
Subject: RE: Re: 40k beta3 files
>
> I have no idea why but changing the signum to this
> line works:
> itst:!type=smTermi&(type=?Techmar|type=Salamander)&race=sm
> Allows it for all the marine chapters and not for any
> other races. It doesn't make any sense to me but I
> made the change to my local files and it works for me
> as far as I can tell.
This restricts it to SM chapters, but any sm character can still pick up the
item.
Shawn Campbell
shawn@electricstitch.com
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:20:03 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Necron Scarab save (Was: Beta-III soon for release)
One fine day in the middle of the night, David <EvilNuff@yahoo.com> got
up to write:
>Can we see a copy of any emails you send back to the
>"you-imbecile" people? Huh huh can we please unca'
>'Not Colin'?
It's probably better for them that I deleted their addresses some time
ago.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:15:11 -0700
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
Subject: RE: Re: 40k beta3 files
I believe I figured out the problem.
The problem with this is ?Techmar is not a unit type, it is an unique ID.
Also, it is Techmr not Techmar.
Change the line to:
itst:!type=smTermi&(reg=smTechmr|type=Salamander)
Shawn Campbell
shawn@electricstitch.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn Campbell [mailto:shawn@electricstitch.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:12 AM
> To: armybuilder@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AB] Re: 40k beta3 files
>
>
>
> >
> > I have no idea why but changing the signum to this
> > line works:
> > itst:!type=smTermi&(type=?Techmar|type=Salamander)&race=sm
> > Allows it for all the marine chapters and not for any
> > other races. It doesn't make any sense to me but I
> > made the change to my local files and it works for me
> > as far as I can tell.
>
> This restricts it to SM chapters, but any sm character can still
> pick up the
> item.
>
> Shawn Campbell
> shawn@electricstitch.com
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:47:53 -0000
From: "David Wilkin" <DWWilkin@aol.com>
Subject: Clan War DE and example Crab Army
First,
I think this is a great aid! Great Job!! Well worth the money! I hope
this becomes an economic success!
My questions is this. I was trying to load in the example armies
provided in DE and got stuck on one unit, I think it is the Zombie
unit in the Crab Army (definitely the Crabs). I am at work, the book
is at home. I asked the experts at the Clan War list and they all
presumed that I did not enough to attach the unit to a leader or
vice-versa. I did, the choices for the unit though did not give the
Crab personality that the DE shows, so perhaps there is something
else
I am missing?
Thanks,
David
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:25:57 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Hey Rob, small problem
Nope. Not a small problem. I wasn't sure of the extent, and it seemed
likely to result in a back-and-forth of emails, so I didn't want to clutter
this list until I got it sorted out.
The problem is that V2.0b started including the file "wininet.dll" in the
installation. A few users complained V2.0a wouldn't launch due to the
auto-notify stuff requiring that file. Unfortunately, installing this file
opens up a nasty chain reaction of DLL dependencies (I'm now not sure how
far the chain goes). If the full set isn't replaced properly, things break.
I had thought I had identified the proper dependency chain and included
them in the installer, but it's not documented well by Microsoft, so I
screwed up - and my testing didn't uncover the combinations where it went
awry.
By re-installing Windows, you got the file set properly sorted out. The
reported problem was also resolved by re-installing IE4.0, which was the
original browser installed on the user's machine. This served the same
purpose without requiring him to get out the Windows discs. I would assume
that this solution also would have worked for you.
I immediately removed this file from the installer once the problem was
reported, so no one who downloaded after that should encounter this issue.
I need to figure out the complete set of files required by AB (probably by
trial-and-error since the Microsoft information seems pretty useless) and
then make that available as a separate download for anyone that doesn't
have wininet installed on their system.
Sorry for the headaches on this one. It's been quite a headache for me as
well.
Thanks, Rob
At 12:25 AM 10/5/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Rob,
>
>Before you take this off to private email you should know that I had the
>same problem installing 2.0b tonight. In fact, after all of the above
>errors, Windows 98 more or less crashed. It stayed up, but no applications
>would run. I reinstalled Windows 98 and everything's running, except for
>my cable modem connection to the internet (though that may be an
>independent ISP problem). Interestingly enough, after reinstalling Windows
>98 my copy of Ab 2.0b starting working just fine.
>
>Perhaps not a small problem after all?
>
>Phil G.
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:32:26 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: 40k beta3 files
Important note to data file writers!
Type comparisons use the '?' character as a wildcard. Once the '?'
character is encountered, all remaining text in the type is IGNORED. If the
types match up to the '?', then the types are declared a match.
Consequently, the use of the '?' as the first character is effectively a
global match - i.e. it matches EVERYTHING. The problem in the above syntax
is the use of "type=?Techmar", which matches anything and results in the
items appearing.
AB uses simple wildcards - not the highly complex syntax supported by
Unix's "grep" command. This is mentioned in the documentation, but I just
thought I'd post a reminder, since this is the source of the problem in the
current 40K files. Colen has already been notified about this.
I have no idea how much work this will be for Colen to fix it, though. :-(
Thanks, Rob
At 11:31 PM 10/4/00 +0100, you wrote:
>Now, if someone could explain exactly how the Ork Warboss, which has the
>types:
>
>Ork
>Warboss
>OrkCommand
>WarChild
>
>defined satisfies this, please let me know.
>
>!(type=smTermi)&((type=?Techmar)|(type=Salamander))
>! (FALSE) &( (FALSE) | (FALSE) )
> (TRUE) & (FALSE)
> (FALSE)
>
>As far as I can see.
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Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:18:31 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Clan War DE and example Crab Army
I saw your post on the Clan War list and it didn't include any detail on
which unit and personality were involved. That's why you got the response
you did. By noting the troops involved below, I was able to investigate. It
appears that the sample army in Daimyo Edition brings up an interesting
potential conflict in the DE rules. Aromoro's Kiso says he can only lead
undead troops. But the rules for personalities state that an allied unit
may only be lead by a personality from that Clan, which implies that the
Plague Zombies (allied unit in a Crab army) should NOT be able to be led by
Aromoro (a non-Shadowlands personality). The question is whether Aromoro's
Kiso is intended to override this normal restriction, even though it
doesn't explicitly say it does. The example army implies that this may be
the case, but I'm not an authority on this.
Army Builder is enforcing the general rules, hence the inability to select
Aromoro to lead the unit.
This issue needs to be addressed by Ken Carpenter, so I'm posting this
message to the DE play-test list, where Ken frequents. Please check back
with me on this after I've had a chance to hear what Ken says. Also, if a
rules clarification is required on this, I assume that one of the play-test
folks will post it on the Clan War list, too.
Thanks, Rob
At 06:47 PM 10/5/00 +0000, you wrote:
>First,
>
>I think this is a great aid! Great Job!! Well worth the money! I hope
>this becomes an economic success!
>
>My questions is this. I was trying to load in the example armies
>provided in DE and got stuck on one unit, I think it is the Zombie
>unit in the Crab Army (definitely the Crabs). I am at work, the book
>is at home. I asked the experts at the Clan War list and they all
>presumed that I did not enough to attach the unit to a leader or
>vice-versa. I did, the choices for the unit though did not give the
>Crab personality that the DE shows, so perhaps there is something
>else
>I am missing?
>
>Thanks,
>
>David
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There are 13 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Ravening Hordes
From: "Dieter Passchier" <Dieter.Passchier@Embdena.de>
2. Re: New Empire Armybook
From: "John"Tora" Connell" <connellj@cty-net.ne.jp>
3. Re: RE: Beta-III soon for release
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
4. Re: New Empire Armybook
From: "Christepher McKenney" <cam1@nrc.gov>
5. Re: 40k beta3 files
From: David <EvilNuff@yahoo.com>
6. Re: 40k beta3 files
From: "Phil Groff" <philip@psych.utoronto.ca>
7. RE: Re: 40k beta3 files
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
8. Re: Necron Scarab save (Was: Beta-III soon for release)
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
9. RE: Re: 40k beta3 files
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
10. Clan War DE and example Crab Army
From: "David Wilkin" <DWWilkin@aol.com>
11. Re: Hey Rob, small problem
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
12. Re: 40k beta3 files
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
13. Re: Clan War DE and example Crab Army
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:07:09 +0200
From: "Dieter Passchier" <Dieter.Passchier@Embdena.de>
Subject: Ravening Hordes
Hello!
I am a Wood Elves player for Warhammer. I noticed that in Dave´s file a
captain is mandatory for the Glade Guards and Archers and can not be
deactivated. In my (german) Ravening Hordes book that is not the case.
Any comments?
Thanks,
Dieter
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:59:11 -0000
From: "John"Tora" Connell" <connellj@cty-net.ne.jp>
Subject: Re: New Empire Armybook
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, "Dieter Passchier"
>Are there any plans to
> incorporate it into the existing file(s). John, anyone?
>
Hi Dieter,
I was going to write the 6th Ed. files but I believe the guys who
wrote the RH files have teamed up in a joint effort to get them out.
So I'm kinda being lazy and waiting for them.
John Connell
Keeper of the 5th Ed. WFB Files
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:18:40 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: RE: Beta-III soon for release
One fine day in the middle of the night, trent <felix@medford.net> got
up to write:
<snip>
A big "thanks!" to everyone who found stuff saying that the Scarabs
really did have a 4+ save. A big "slap" to both of you who claimed it
was 3+.
--
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:57:29 -0400
From: "Christepher McKenney" <cam1@nrc.gov>
Subject: Re: New Empire Armybook
John, you are correct! We are getting near a kick-off version of our lists combined which will incorporate the Empire Book and the UK RH changes (hopefully Sunday). This will be the set of files we will keep on revising in the future. Our other lists will have the last versions available (I'm doing one more version before putting it in stone) but will be marked as US RH only (no UK RH changes or new army books).
Christepher
>>> connellj@cty-net.ne.jp 10/05 7:59 AM >>>
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, "Dieter Passchier"
>Are there any plans to
> incorporate it into the existing file(s). John, anyone?
>
Hi Dieter,
I was going to write the 6th Ed. files but I believe the guys who
wrote the RH files have teamed up in a joint effort to get them out.
So I'm kinda being lazy and waiting for them.
John Connell
Keeper of the 5th Ed. WFB Files
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:02:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: David <EvilNuff@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 40k beta3 files
>Really? That's strange.
>
>Let's take the Signum as an example. Here are the
>rules it uses to determine availability; if any of
>these are true, it's available.
>
>itst:!type=smTermi&(type=?Techmar|type=Salamander)
>
>There is only one rule controlling it, and that's in
>marines.40k - I know because I just spent 10 minutes
>going through every file looking. Now, if someone
>could explain exactly how the Ork Warboss, which has
>the types:
>Ork
>Warboss
>OrkCommand
>WarChild
>defined satisfies this, please let me know.
I have no idea why but changing the signum to this
line works:
itst:!type=smTermi&(type=?Techmar|type=Salamander)&race=sm
Allows it for all the marine chapters and not for any
other races. It doesn't make any sense to me but I
made the change to my local files and it works for me
as far as I can tell.
-David
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:16:30 -0400
From: "Phil Groff" <philip@psych.utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: 40k beta3 files
Really? That's strange.
Let's take the Signum as an example. Here are the rules it uses to
determine availability; if any of these are true, it's available.
itst:!type=smTermi&(type=?Techmar|type=Salamander)
OK,
I'll take a shot at it from the perspective of formal logic, so it might not quite match programming logic in AB, but here goes...
smTermi & (type=?Techmar | type= Salamander) is the test you are setting up, right? You want to fail this test in order to get the item, right?
Is a warboss smTermi? No, so the first half of conjuction is false is false.
Is a warboss ?Techmar or Salamander? No, the the second half of the conjunction is false.
Therefor the conjunction is false.
Therefor, the item is available (isn't the !type at the left, a negation?).
In short, you've interpreted your test as ~P & (Q or R)
when in reality the test seems to me to be ~(P & (Q or R)).
Let me know if I'm way off base here, but I think the way you've diagrammed the rule later in your posting is inconsistent with the way you've written it above.
My opinions are, of course, worth exactly what you've paid for them.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:11:36 -0700
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
Subject: RE: Re: 40k beta3 files
>
> I have no idea why but changing the signum to this
> line works:
> itst:!type=smTermi&(type=?Techmar|type=Salamander)&race=sm
> Allows it for all the marine chapters and not for any
> other races. It doesn't make any sense to me but I
> made the change to my local files and it works for me
> as far as I can tell.
This restricts it to SM chapters, but any sm character can still pick up the
item.
Shawn Campbell
shawn@electricstitch.com
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:20:03 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Necron Scarab save (Was: Beta-III soon for release)
One fine day in the middle of the night, David <EvilNuff@yahoo.com> got
up to write:
>Can we see a copy of any emails you send back to the
>"you-imbecile" people? Huh huh can we please unca'
>'Not Colin'?
It's probably better for them that I deleted their addresses some time
ago.
--
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Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today!
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:15:11 -0700
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
Subject: RE: Re: 40k beta3 files
I believe I figured out the problem.
The problem with this is ?Techmar is not a unit type, it is an unique ID.
Also, it is Techmr not Techmar.
Change the line to:
itst:!type=smTermi&(reg=smTechmr|type=Salamander)
Shawn Campbell
shawn@electricstitch.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn Campbell [mailto:shawn@electricstitch.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:12 AM
> To: armybuilder@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AB] Re: 40k beta3 files
>
>
>
> >
> > I have no idea why but changing the signum to this
> > line works:
> > itst:!type=smTermi&(type=?Techmar|type=Salamander)&race=sm
> > Allows it for all the marine chapters and not for any
> > other races. It doesn't make any sense to me but I
> > made the change to my local files and it works for me
> > as far as I can tell.
>
> This restricts it to SM chapters, but any sm character can still
> pick up the
> item.
>
> Shawn Campbell
> shawn@electricstitch.com
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, email
>
> armybuilder-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:47:53 -0000
From: "David Wilkin" <DWWilkin@aol.com>
Subject: Clan War DE and example Crab Army
First,
I think this is a great aid! Great Job!! Well worth the money! I hope
this becomes an economic success!
My questions is this. I was trying to load in the example armies
provided in DE and got stuck on one unit, I think it is the Zombie
unit in the Crab Army (definitely the Crabs). I am at work, the book
is at home. I asked the experts at the Clan War list and they all
presumed that I did not enough to attach the unit to a leader or
vice-versa. I did, the choices for the unit though did not give the
Crab personality that the DE shows, so perhaps there is something
else
I am missing?
Thanks,
David
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:25:57 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Hey Rob, small problem
Nope. Not a small problem. I wasn't sure of the extent, and it seemed
likely to result in a back-and-forth of emails, so I didn't want to clutter
this list until I got it sorted out.
The problem is that V2.0b started including the file "wininet.dll" in the
installation. A few users complained V2.0a wouldn't launch due to the
auto-notify stuff requiring that file. Unfortunately, installing this file
opens up a nasty chain reaction of DLL dependencies (I'm now not sure how
far the chain goes). If the full set isn't replaced properly, things break.
I had thought I had identified the proper dependency chain and included
them in the installer, but it's not documented well by Microsoft, so I
screwed up - and my testing didn't uncover the combinations where it went
awry.
By re-installing Windows, you got the file set properly sorted out. The
reported problem was also resolved by re-installing IE4.0, which was the
original browser installed on the user's machine. This served the same
purpose without requiring him to get out the Windows discs. I would assume
that this solution also would have worked for you.
I immediately removed this file from the installer once the problem was
reported, so no one who downloaded after that should encounter this issue.
I need to figure out the complete set of files required by AB (probably by
trial-and-error since the Microsoft information seems pretty useless) and
then make that available as a separate download for anyone that doesn't
have wininet installed on their system.
Sorry for the headaches on this one. It's been quite a headache for me as
well.
Thanks, Rob
At 12:25 AM 10/5/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Rob,
>
>Before you take this off to private email you should know that I had the
>same problem installing 2.0b tonight. In fact, after all of the above
>errors, Windows 98 more or less crashed. It stayed up, but no applications
>would run. I reinstalled Windows 98 and everything's running, except for
>my cable modem connection to the internet (though that may be an
>independent ISP problem). Interestingly enough, after reinstalling Windows
>98 my copy of Ab 2.0b starting working just fine.
>
>Perhaps not a small problem after all?
>
>Phil G.
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:32:26 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: 40k beta3 files
Important note to data file writers!
Type comparisons use the '?' character as a wildcard. Once the '?'
character is encountered, all remaining text in the type is IGNORED. If the
types match up to the '?', then the types are declared a match.
Consequently, the use of the '?' as the first character is effectively a
global match - i.e. it matches EVERYTHING. The problem in the above syntax
is the use of "type=?Techmar", which matches anything and results in the
items appearing.
AB uses simple wildcards - not the highly complex syntax supported by
Unix's "grep" command. This is mentioned in the documentation, but I just
thought I'd post a reminder, since this is the source of the problem in the
current 40K files. Colen has already been notified about this.
I have no idea how much work this will be for Colen to fix it, though. :-(
Thanks, Rob
At 11:31 PM 10/4/00 +0100, you wrote:
>Now, if someone could explain exactly how the Ork Warboss, which has the
>types:
>
>Ork
>Warboss
>OrkCommand
>WarChild
>
>defined satisfies this, please let me know.
>
>!(type=smTermi)&((type=?Techmar)|(type=Salamander))
>! (FALSE) &( (FALSE) | (FALSE) )
> (TRUE) & (FALSE)
> (FALSE)
>
>As far as I can see.
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:18:31 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Clan War DE and example Crab Army
I saw your post on the Clan War list and it didn't include any detail on
which unit and personality were involved. That's why you got the response
you did. By noting the troops involved below, I was able to investigate. It
appears that the sample army in Daimyo Edition brings up an interesting
potential conflict in the DE rules. Aromoro's Kiso says he can only lead
undead troops. But the rules for personalities state that an allied unit
may only be lead by a personality from that Clan, which implies that the
Plague Zombies (allied unit in a Crab army) should NOT be able to be led by
Aromoro (a non-Shadowlands personality). The question is whether Aromoro's
Kiso is intended to override this normal restriction, even though it
doesn't explicitly say it does. The example army implies that this may be
the case, but I'm not an authority on this.
Army Builder is enforcing the general rules, hence the inability to select
Aromoro to lead the unit.
This issue needs to be addressed by Ken Carpenter, so I'm posting this
message to the DE play-test list, where Ken frequents. Please check back
with me on this after I've had a chance to hear what Ken says. Also, if a
rules clarification is required on this, I assume that one of the play-test
folks will post it on the Clan War list, too.
Thanks, Rob
At 06:47 PM 10/5/00 +0000, you wrote:
>First,
>
>I think this is a great aid! Great Job!! Well worth the money! I hope
>this becomes an economic success!
>
>My questions is this. I was trying to load in the example armies
>provided in DE and got stuck on one unit, I think it is the Zombie
>unit in the Crab Army (definitely the Crabs). I am at work, the book
>is at home. I asked the experts at the Clan War list and they all
>presumed that I did not enough to attach the unit to a leader or
>vice-versa. I did, the choices for the unit though did not give the
>Crab personality that the DE shows, so perhaps there is something
>else
>I am missing?
>
>Thanks,
>
>David
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Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com
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