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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: ulthwe seer council
From: Ron Kilby <kilbo98@yahoo.com>
2. Re: ulthwe seer council
From: Ron Kilby <kilbo98@yahoo.com>
3. Re: Tyranid PTC?
From: David <EvilNuff@yahoo.com>
4. RE: Calling Colen ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
From: "Phil Walling" <Phil@wallingp.freeserve.co.uk>
5. Re: Re: Tyranid PTC?
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
6. Re: def files (was Tyranid PTC?)
From: rjs@inorbit.com
7. Re: Calling Colen ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:14:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ron Kilby <kilbo98@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: ulthwe seer council
--- steven prince <wolfhunter@flashcom.net> wrote:
> ok here whats up if your play elder you can have 5
> warlock with your farseer but if your play the
> Ulthwe Craftworld it states in the book of eldar
> craftworld
> " THE FOLLOWING CHANGER ARE MADE TO THE CRAFTWORLD
> ELDAR LIST TO REPRESENT A CRAFTWORD ULTHWE ARMY:"
> the most you can have of farseers in a Uthwe army is
> a totle of 5 farseers and and "Any number of
> additional warlock may be aded to the unit "
> so if you get the seer council for 90 pts. you get
> two farseers and three warlocks in it you can add
> three more farseers and any amount of worlocks to
> you want
> now that i think of that that could get nasty if you
> were going to make a hand to hand unit
> with the farseers psychic powers ......
Right, you haven't stated anything here I didn't
already know or understand.
The issue is when you take those warlocks from the
seer council and place them in guardian units. Note
the codex states that warlocks may join other units as
allowed in their unit listing. Those warlocks in the
guardian units are from the council. Hence in this
situation we get a error in the program since I have 3
warlocks in the council itself and then 3 more in
guardian squads.
RK
> On Wed, 27 September 2000, Ron Kilby wrote:
>
> >
> > I understand but I have two farseers in the
> council
> > (as required) which means I should have 10 wrlocks
> > available to me. (The codex says I can have
> unlimited
> > amounts of warlocks)
> >
> > So this still doesn't make sense unless we have to
> > actually assign the various warlocks to a farseer
> > somehow. I currently have 6 warlocks, three in
> the
> > council as required and 3 more in units.
> >
> > RK
> >
> > --- dhall@indian.vinu.edu wrote:
> > >
> > > It's because the eldar datafile has a rule
> saying
> > > that you must have 1
> > > farseer for each 5 warlocks. I looked for a way
> to
> > > have the ulthwe file
> > > remove that rule but I don't have enough
> experience
> > > with AB to make it
> > > happen. I'm hope Colen, if anyone has mentioned
> > > this before, is planning
> > > to fix this in the next datafile. I usually
> mail
> > > him when I find bugs but
> > > I've been a bit lazy on this one.
> > >
> > > Dean
> > >
> > > >Same here and I have NO idea why even after
> messing
> > > >around with the council and such.
> > > >
> > > >RK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:27:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ron Kilby <kilbo98@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: ulthwe seer council
>
> >Same here and I have NO idea why even after messing
> >around with the council and such.
>
> It's implemented in a race attribute, which is why
> you can't find it in
> the Seer Council entry.
>
Oh, I see.
> Oddly, I got no complaints about this up until this
> version of the
> files, since when I have got about 30 of the things.
> I don't mind, but
> why on earth do none appear for ages and then a load
> turn up at once?
> I'm confused
>
I can only think of three reasons: The first is
perhaps the error didn't exist before and does now
(unlikely but I thought I would throw it out there),
second perhaps not many people were looking at making
ulthwe armies till now and third perhaps those making
ulthwe armies are finally to a stage in development,
through their fine tuning process, where they are
incorporating more warlocks than ever before. Thus
triggering this error result. This last one i like
best since it applies to my situation. Only until I
added my 6th warlock did the error occur. I tried to
max out the amount of guardian units with warlocks in
trying to keep with the Ulthwe background. I managed
to have 6 warlocks in the army.
RK
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> Of Time
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: David <EvilNuff@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tyranid PTC?
Well in adding in what I've done so far I've come up
with a few questions. Yes I have read the AB manual
and the ABCreator manual as well. The documentation
mentions that definition files are text files yet all
the def. files I've seen are binary (specifically the
v2 beta 2 40k and the latest WFB and ravening hordes
datadef files)? The other question was how is the
order of options displayed in AB? It looks like its
purely alphabetical with no sort option that I can
find mention of?
-David
>I've started playing around with creating an AB file
>for the bug playtest codex just to learn the
>ABCreator. Has anyone else created this yet out of
>curiosity?
No, but I have a copy and it's on the list of "things
to do".
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:23:53 +0100
From: "Phil Walling" <Phil@wallingp.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Calling Colen ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
>>>IIRC there's only about one thing that I need to change, and that's to
>>>make error messages slightly more understandable. What changes were you
>>>thinking of making?
I have just been accepted as a Legionarie foe I-Kore so I can do all the
updates for new units and so on..
Phil
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:04:21 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Tyranid PTC?
At 12:18 PM 9/28/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Well in adding in what I've done so far I've come up
>with a few questions. Yes I have read the AB manual
>and the ABCreator manual as well. The documentation
>mentions that definition files are text files yet all
>the def. files I've seen are binary (specifically the
>v2 beta 2 40k and the latest WFB and ravening hordes
>datadef files)?
Definition files are EDITED as text files. They are then converted to a
run-time format that is binary. The tools ABDef and ABUndef are used to
convert back and forth. Full details are provided in the Construction Kit
manual.
>The other question was how is the
>order of options displayed in AB? It looks like its
>purely alphabetical with no sort option that I can
>find mention of?
The Option Categories serve as the primary sort key, with options being
sorted alphabetically within a given category. Again, full details on this
are included in the Kit manual.
Thanks, Rob
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:29:54 -0000
From: rjs@inorbit.com
Subject: Re: def files (was Tyranid PTC?)
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, David <EvilNuff@y...> wrote:
> Well in adding in what I've done so far I've come up
> with a few questions. Yes I have read the AB manual
> and the ABCreator manual as well. The documentation
> mentions that definition files are text files yet all
> the def. files I've seen are binary (specifically the
> v2 beta 2 40k and the latest WFB and ravening hordes
> datadef files)? The other question was how is the
> order of options displayed in AB? It looks like its
> purely alphabetical with no sort option that I can
> find mention of?
>
How well did you read the manual?
The datadef files are generated from text files by using abdef.exe
They can be undef'ed by using abundef.exe (surprise, surprise
You cannot directly edit a datadef file. (This is definitely in the
manuals)
Option sort is done in two ways. In the def file, there is a section
for Option categories. Options are sorted according to their
categories in the order specified in the def file. If a number of
options are in the same category, they are sorted alphabetically
within the category.
Enjoy
Russell.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:01:16 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Calling Colen ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
One fine day in the middle of the night, Phil Walling <Phil@wallingp.fre
eserve.co.uk> got up to write:
>>>>IIRC there's only about one thing that I need to change, and that's to
>>>>make error messages slightly more understandable. What changes were you
>>>>thinking of making?
>
>
>I have just been accepted as a Legionarie foe I-Kore so I can do all the
>updates for new units and so on..
There's some mysterious chap called "Steve" in Aberdeen who is updating
the files, according to an email I got from I-Kore a few days ago. I
await developments.
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: ulthwe seer council
From: Ron Kilby <kilbo98@yahoo.com>
2. Re: ulthwe seer council
From: Ron Kilby <kilbo98@yahoo.com>
3. Re: Tyranid PTC?
From: David <EvilNuff@yahoo.com>
4. RE: Calling Colen ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
From: "Phil Walling" <Phil@wallingp.freeserve.co.uk>
5. Re: Re: Tyranid PTC?
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
6. Re: def files (was Tyranid PTC?)
From: rjs@inorbit.com
7. Re: Calling Colen ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 1
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:14:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ron Kilby <kilbo98@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: ulthwe seer council
--- steven prince <wolfhunter@flashcom.net> wrote:
> ok here whats up if your play elder you can have 5
> warlock with your farseer but if your play the
> Ulthwe Craftworld it states in the book of eldar
> craftworld
> " THE FOLLOWING CHANGER ARE MADE TO THE CRAFTWORLD
> ELDAR LIST TO REPRESENT A CRAFTWORD ULTHWE ARMY:"
> the most you can have of farseers in a Uthwe army is
> a totle of 5 farseers and and "Any number of
> additional warlock may be aded to the unit "
> so if you get the seer council for 90 pts. you get
> two farseers and three warlocks in it you can add
> three more farseers and any amount of worlocks to
> you want
> now that i think of that that could get nasty if you
> were going to make a hand to hand unit
> with the farseers psychic powers ......
Right, you haven't stated anything here I didn't
already know or understand.
The issue is when you take those warlocks from the
seer council and place them in guardian units. Note
the codex states that warlocks may join other units as
allowed in their unit listing. Those warlocks in the
guardian units are from the council. Hence in this
situation we get a error in the program since I have 3
warlocks in the council itself and then 3 more in
guardian squads.
RK
> On Wed, 27 September 2000, Ron Kilby wrote:
>
> >
> > I understand but I have two farseers in the
> council
> > (as required) which means I should have 10 wrlocks
> > available to me. (The codex says I can have
> unlimited
> > amounts of warlocks)
> >
> > So this still doesn't make sense unless we have to
> > actually assign the various warlocks to a farseer
> > somehow. I currently have 6 warlocks, three in
> the
> > council as required and 3 more in units.
> >
> > RK
> >
> > --- dhall@indian.vinu.edu wrote:
> > >
> > > It's because the eldar datafile has a rule
> saying
> > > that you must have 1
> > > farseer for each 5 warlocks. I looked for a way
> to
> > > have the ulthwe file
> > > remove that rule but I don't have enough
> experience
> > > with AB to make it
> > > happen. I'm hope Colen, if anyone has mentioned
> > > this before, is planning
> > > to fix this in the next datafile. I usually
> > > him when I find bugs but
> > > I've been a bit lazy on this one.
> > >
> > > Dean
> > >
> > > >Same here and I have NO idea why even after
> messing
> > > >around with the council and such.
> > > >
> > > >RK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:27:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ron Kilby <kilbo98@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: ulthwe seer council
>
> >Same here and I have NO idea why even after messing
> >around with the council and such.
>
> It's implemented in a race attribute, which is why
> you can't find it in
> the Seer Council entry.
>
Oh, I see.
> Oddly, I got no complaints about this up until this
> version of the
> files, since when I have got about 30 of the things.
> I don't mind, but
> why on earth do none appear for ages and then a load
> turn up at once?
> I'm confused
>
I can only think of three reasons: The first is
perhaps the error didn't exist before and does now
(unlikely but I thought I would throw it out there),
second perhaps not many people were looking at making
ulthwe armies till now and third perhaps those making
ulthwe armies are finally to a stage in development,
through their fine tuning process, where they are
incorporating more warlocks than ever before. Thus
triggering this error result. This last one i like
best since it applies to my situation. Only until I
added my 6th warlock did the error occur. I tried to
max out the amount of guardian units with warlocks in
trying to keep with the Ulthwe background. I managed
to have 6 warlocks in the army.
RK
> --
> 'Not Colin' McAlister - License to Skrill
> Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit
> http://www.skrill.org/ today!
>
-----------------------------+------------------------------------
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> Of Time
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: David <EvilNuff@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tyranid PTC?
Well in adding in what I've done so far I've come up
with a few questions. Yes I have read the AB manual
and the ABCreator manual as well. The documentation
mentions that definition files are text files yet all
the def. files I've seen are binary (specifically the
v2 beta 2 40k and the latest WFB and ravening hordes
datadef files)? The other question was how is the
order of options displayed in AB? It looks like its
purely alphabetical with no sort option that I can
find mention of?
-David
>I've started playing around with creating an AB file
>for the bug playtest codex just to learn the
>ABCreator. Has anyone else created this yet out of
>curiosity?
No, but I have a copy and it's on the list of "things
to do".
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:23:53 +0100
From: "Phil Walling" <Phil@wallingp.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Calling Colen ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
>>>IIRC there's only about one thing that I need to change, and that's to
>>>make error messages slightly more understandable. What changes were you
>>>thinking of making?
I have just been accepted as a Legionarie foe I-Kore so I can do all the
updates for new units and so on..
Phil
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 5
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:04:21 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Tyranid PTC?
At 12:18 PM 9/28/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Well in adding in what I've done so far I've come up
>with a few questions. Yes I have read the AB manual
>and the ABCreator manual as well. The documentation
>mentions that definition files are text files yet all
>the def. files I've seen are binary (specifically the
>v2 beta 2 40k and the latest WFB and ravening hordes
>datadef files)?
Definition files are EDITED as text files. They are then converted to a
run-time format that is binary. The tools ABDef and ABUndef are used to
convert back and forth. Full details are provided in the Construction Kit
manual.
>The other question was how is the
>order of options displayed in AB? It looks like its
>purely alphabetical with no sort option that I can
>find mention of?
The Option Categories serve as the primary sort key, with options being
sorted alphabetically within a given category. Again, full details on this
are included in the Kit manual.
Thanks, Rob
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:29:54 -0000
From: rjs@inorbit.com
Subject: Re: def files (was Tyranid PTC?)
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, David <EvilNuff@y...> wrote:
> Well in adding in what I've done so far I've come up
> with a few questions. Yes I have read the AB manual
> and the ABCreator manual as well. The documentation
> mentions that definition files are text files yet all
> the def. files I've seen are binary (specifically the
> v2 beta 2 40k and the latest WFB and ravening hordes
> datadef files)? The other question was how is the
> order of options displayed in AB? It looks like its
> purely alphabetical with no sort option that I can
> find mention of?
>
How well did you read the manual?
The datadef files are generated from text files by using abdef.exe
They can be undef'ed by using abundef.exe (surprise, surprise
You cannot directly edit a datadef file. (This is definitely in the
manuals)
Option sort is done in two ways. In the def file, there is a section
for Option categories. Options are sorted according to their
categories in the order specified in the def file. If a number of
options are in the same category, they are sorted alphabetically
within the category.
Enjoy
Russell.
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 7
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:01:16 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Calling Colen ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
One fine day in the middle of the night, Phil Walling <Phil@wallingp.fre
eserve.co.uk> got up to write:
>>>>IIRC there's only about one thing that I need to change, and that's to
>>>>make error messages slightly more understandable. What changes were you
>>>>thinking of making?
>
>
>I have just been accepted as a Legionarie foe I-Kore so I can do all the
>updates for new units and so on..
There's some mysterious chap called "Steve" in Aberdeen who is updating
the files, according to an email I got from I-Kore a few days ago. I
await developments.
--
'Not Colin' McAlister | License to Skrill
Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today!
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