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SR 5th ed. Combining skills into groups

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Zaran

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There needs to be a bit more connectivity between skills and skill groups. There needs to be an option to have a skill higher than the skill group it's in, specialties attached a skill in a skill group and HL should automatically combine skills into a group if the character has all three . I'm sure it's being worked on but I couldn't find mentioned anywhere.
 
A Skill Group can currently only be broken up in Hero Labs.

Also, per the rules of Skill Groups, all of the skills must have the same rating to be in a skill group. A skill in a skill group cannot have specializations.
 
TheMaskedFerret - what they're asking for that's not in Hero Lab at this time is the option to pay for the skill groups from the skill group points granted by their skills selection, then use karma to add higher ratings and/or specializations to some of the skills in that group. That is a legal combination because of the order in the rules of when you spend skill group points and when you spend karma.
 
But yeah, having all skills in a group at the same level doesn't automatically grant the group in SR5, and taking a specialization breaks the group permanently
 
The relevant rules about skill groups:
Pg 129 SR5
Skill group advancement uses special rules. If you want to advance one skill from the group without advancing the rest, the skill group is broken and you get each of the skills in the group at the former group rating; then you can increase one of the skills. If you want to get the skill group back (or get a new one), you must first get all of the skills in the group to the same rating.

Pg 88 SR5
When a skill group is purchased, the character is considered to have all the individual skills of the skill group at the rating of the group. the character wishes to break up the skill group during game play and raise only one of the skills, he is free to do so, but may not raise those skills as a skill group again until all skills possess the same rating. Skill group points may not be used to purchase individual skills and vice versa. In addition, skill groups cannot be broken up in this step, so individual skill points cannot raise the ratings of skills purchased as a group. (Note that skill groups can be broken up in Step Seven: Spend Your Left Over Karma (p. 98).

Pg 89 SR5
Specializations cannot be purchased for skill groups. Skill groups reflect a general understanding of similar skills rather than a particular expertise that a specialization denotes. Players may choose to buy a specialization for an individual skill within a skill group, but if they do so the skill group is broken from that point forward, meaning that all skills of the group must be raised separately. Additionally, once a specialization is taken for a skill in the skill group, it is impossible to reconstruct that skill group. This cannot happen in Step Five of character creation— you can only break up a skill group by buying a specialization for it in Step Seven (see p. 98 for details)

Pg 130 SR5
Specializations are not allowed for skill groups.
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Does the first section imply you get it back just by raising them to the same level (like old versions), or do you need to purchase the next skill group level to have the group back: does "you must first get all of the skills" mean that's not all there is. If so, that's the way Hero Lab is doing it now- you get them back to the same and spend karma on a skill group level.

However, I'm concerned about the "(or get a new one)" part. I didn't remember that one. That just means you can't take a group where you didn't have one before when you have its constituent skills at different levels, right? Not that you can't get skill groups at all? Oh, Catalyst...

The skill part of Step Seven is not yet implemented, I think is what Mathias meant?
 
Alistair said:
Does the first section imply you get it back just by raising them to the same level (like old versions), or do you need to purchase the next skill group level to have the group back: does "you must first get all of the skills" mean that's not all there is. If so, that's the way Hero Lab is doing it now- you get them back to the same and spend karma on a skill group level.

However, I'm concerned about the "(or get a new one)" part. I didn't remember that one. That just means you can't take a group where you didn't have one before when you have its constituent skills at different levels, right? Not that you can't get skill groups at all? Oh, Catalyst...

The skill part of Step Seven is not yet implemented, I think is what Mathias meant?
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I think the implication, is that if you have Automatics 5, Longarms 5, and Pistols 5, then you can list them that way, or as Firearms 5. Since they are effectively the same thing, as long as there are no specializations. The only thing that matters is how you choose to raise it from here on out, either as a group, or individually.
 
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