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Army Builder V3.0 in Development

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G'day,

I'd agree that one can generally get international money orders etc but
last time I checked they're pretty expensive in Oz.

About AU$20 IIRC - and the way our banks charge it can only go up. Western
Union money transfer is VERY expensive (I made an ebay sale to a bloke in
Belgium and he paid via WU - ages ago but I think it was around $AU30 or so
(he wanted to use them - the cost is born by the sender) and fidlly since I
had to get to the travel agent that was an agency. the cost and mucking
around of international cheques/money orders would be a real disincentive if
I had to rely on paying by that method.

Fortunately, credit card is fine by me.

Paypal has worked well for me - but then I've only used it for ebay and
the odd purchase, and have used it for Society of Ancients membership. I've
no experience with Paypal at the business level tho so I can only defer to
Rob's knowledge. FWIW when I set up my Paypal account I think "foreign"
users had to supply credit card details as part of verification. That was a
few years ago so I don't know if it has changed.

Cheers
Bern
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Subject: Re: [AB] Army Builder V3.0 in Development


> Mind you, with it being an annual thing, there is plenty of time for
renewal and for domestic/north american users there is always the good
old-fashioned check or money order. Come to think of it, in most places I
imagine you could get an international money order.
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> Just a thought.
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> Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com> wrote:
> At 01:48 AM 6/11/2004 +0000, you wrote:
> PayPal is not a viable option for us. :-(
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At 02:17 AM 6/11/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>I certainly wasn't expecting you to change the wording on my account. But
>yes, it does definitely get the point across clearly now.

If one person is confused, that means at least another few dozen are as
well. Better to clarify the text on the page and eliminate the confusion
than have to answer the question here or via tech support another bunch of
times. :-)

>Now, I'm curious about a different scenario. Will I be able to keep my 2.2c
>version after I install 3? I ask because if some of my user base decides to
>stay with 2.2c, I would continue to support it, if possible. Plus, I may be
>able to keep my 2.2c CD with me in my travels which would solve all my
>issues. Assuming I keep my data files simple and not use some of these new
>features you're hinting at.

V2.2c won't be mysteriously disappearing from the world. So you can
definitely continue using V2.2c. I'm guessing that it's possible a couple
of out-of-print games won't have their data files updated for V3.0 right
away. So V2.2c will still be needed for those games - in the interim, at
least. I've considered providing new users of AB3 the option to obtain a
free AB2 license if they want it, just in case of a situation like this,
but that entails a lot of work on the server to integrate two disparate
mechanisms (the antiquated AB2 system and the nifty one we use for CV/AB3).
So that's likely to not happen until after AB3 is released (if at all).

Given the sweeping changes to the engine and the complexities of converting
V2 data files to V3, my best guess is that the conversion will NOT be done
automatically within AB3. Instead, it will likely be done via a separate
conversion tool made available for authors. So, assuming the data files you
author convert fully to V3, you'll be able to maintain those files in V2
and run the converter on them each time you release a new update.
NOTE! The above is my BEST GUESS as of today, based on incomplete
information. Please don't consider any of this as absolute.

One thing to be aware of is that auto-converted V2 data files will probably
have glaring missing functionality. Some of the features that users will
quickly find invaluable in AB3 will simply not be present. This is because
those features don't exist in V2 - NOT because things aren't converted across.

So I'm guessing that most authors - who will also want to use those
features themselves when creating army lists - will pretty quickly find it
to be a major nuisance trying to support both AB2 and AB3. Either
functionality will be missing under V3 or the maintenance of both versions
will be come a headache.

I'm just trying to avoid any assumptions from being established now that
will cause frustration in the future. Our ultimate goal with AB3 is to make
a complete separation from V2. It will simplify everything for everyone
(ourselves, authors, and users) once we accompish the transition. And the
new functionality in AB3 ought to make it easy for users to justify the
transition. At least, that was the impression I got from the reactions when
we previewed AB3 at KublaCon a short while ago. :-)

-Rob

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If internation PayPal accounts still require a credit card, then PayPal
isn't a viable option for us to even consider. Does anyone know if this is
still the case?

Thanks, Rob

At 05:50 PM 6/11/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>FWIW when I set up my Paypal account I think "foreign"
>users had to supply credit card details as part of verification. That was a
>few years ago so I don't know if it has changed.


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> If internation PayPal accounts still require a credit card, then
> PayPal isn't a viable option for us to even consider. Does anyone
> know if this is still the case?

AFAIK, Non-US accounts require a card (credit or debit) because they can't
upload funds via a bank like the Americans can. Paypal are looking into
other countries being allowed to fund their accounts via a bank account. The
only ways I've found to fund your Paypal account is to have two accounts
with account #1 pays via card to account #2, or you pay a friend with your
card and he/she sends the payment to your Paypal account.

Why is using a creditcard via Paypal not a viable option??


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At 03:30 PM 6/11/2004, you wrote:
>If internation PayPal accounts still require a credit card, then PayPal
>isn't a viable option for us to even consider. Does anyone know if this is
>still the case?

At least in the UK, you can hook up a bank account to your Paypal and
transfer money without needing a credit card. This is a fairly new thing,
they only implemented it in the last few months IIRC. I'm not sure about
other countries; I think they have to make a separate agreement with
whoever runs the banks in each country, which explains why it took them so
many years to get it working for the UK.


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> At least in the UK, you can hook up a bank account to your Paypal and
> transfer money without needing a credit card.

AFAIK, only Americans can do this.


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At 03:42 PM 6/11/2004, you wrote:
> > At least in the UK, you can hook up a bank account to your Paypal and
> > transfer money without needing a credit card.
>
>AFAIK, only Americans can do this.

Well, I personally did it with my UK bank account and UK paypal account a
couple of months ago, so it's definitely possible to do. :)


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...and Canadians. ;)

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Sent: June 11, 2004 6:43 PM
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Subject: Re: [AB] Army Builder V3.0 in Development


> At least in the UK, you can hook up a bank account to your Paypal and
> transfer money without needing a credit card.

AFAIK, only Americans can do this.


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> Well, I personally did it with my UK bank account and UK paypal
> account a couple of months ago, so it's definitely possible to do. :)

You must be special :-P

Just checked my Paypal account and it wont let me add funds from my bank
account.


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> ...and Canadians. ;)

Since you're the newest US state, my comment was correct :-P


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>Why is using a creditcard via Paypal not a viable option??

Just to respond to the Canadian status of things... I've been snooping
around
my paypal account, and I can transfer money into my account directly from
my savings account - no credit card needed each time.

However, I think I needed to have a credit card at the start to verify my
account
(ie give them a way to track me down if something goes south!)

OTOH, it costs 2.9%+ $0.30 USD to receive funds. Is that the cost of doing
business, or
really too annoying?

The only advantage then is if Paypal accounts don't need credits cards (ie
my memory is wrong)
and that people can send cash through an already established mechanism -
which doesn't need to
poll for their credit card information again, thereby minimizing risks.

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It's perfectly viable to accept credit cards via PayPal. The problem is
that it's a complete waste of time and money. We already have full support
for accepting credit cards in place - with maximum security checking. So
why should we switch to PayPal to get the same (or less) service for a lot
more work on our end and to pay a higher cost for the service?

The only motivation for utilizing PayPal would be if we can accept debit
cards from international customers, since that's something we currently
can't do.

After a bit of research on this end, all of the debit card support is still
tied to US systems (through what's called the ACH or Automated Clearing
House). So at this point, it appears that adding debit card support won't
broaden the customer base who can purchase online from us. That's probably
why PayPal still hasn't eliminated its requirement for credit cards from
non-US users. :-(

-Rob

At 11:37 PM 6/11/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>Why is using a creditcard via Paypal not a viable option??


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Your assessment of PayPal's only advantages is pretty accurate. Here's a
more indepth explanation of the situation.

The costs of accepting credit cards is just a cost of doing business that
any established business has to accept. However, the costs of using PayPal
are MUCH higher than accepting credit cards directly, so the only reason to
do it is if PayPal offers sufficiently more value to a company in the form
of access to more consumers. At this point, it looks like that is NOT the
case.

Canadian debit cards are typically Visa/MC cards now, just like in the
States, so there's no real advantage there. And supporting the UK is
probably not a large enough customer base alone to justify the significant
extra costs. Remember, we're not talking about the entire UK here - just
the percentage of AB users in the UK that DON'T have a credit card. And
most of the users in that category can probably get someone in their family
(or a friend) to place the purchase for them.

PayPal is of great value to individuals who sell stuff. It's also of value
to companies that don't have the technical ability, financial stability,
and/or desire to secure a merchant account to accept credit cards directly.
Since we already have full credit card capabilities in place, with full
security verification, and since PayPal costs significantly more, there is
no reason to use PayPal unless they offer us a benefit in some way.

Hope this clears it up for everyone....

-Rob

At 10:41 PM 6/11/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>OTOH, it costs 2.9%+ $0.30 USD to receive funds. Is that the cost of doing
>business, or
>really too annoying?
>
>The only advantage then is if Paypal accounts don't need credits cards (ie
>my memory is wrong)
>and that people can send cash through an already established mechanism -
>which doesn't need to
>poll for their credit card information again, thereby minimizing risks.


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> Canadian debit cards are typically Visa/MC cards now, just like in the
> States, so there's no real advantage there.

I hate to say this, Rob, but that is not a completely true statement for
Canadians. While you can LINK your credit card account to your debit card
(if they are the same bank) for payments and viewing accounts, your debit
card will not act as a credit card - so you can only use the debit purchase
option through your debit card. However, Canadians can give their credit
card the same functionality as a debit card - allowing them to leave the
debit card at home to save wallet space. I choose not to do so, and many
people do, for security purposes. I don't like all my accounts linked like
that so that if my card is lost or stolen it's that much easier to clean me
out.

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--- In armybuilder@yahoogroups.com, Rob Bowes <rob@w...> wrote:
[snip]
> Since we already have full credit card capabilities in place, with
> full security verification, and since PayPal costs significantly
> more, there is no reason to use PayPal unless they offer us a
> benefit in some way.
>
> Hope this clears it up for everyone....

Glad it's been put to bed - Sorry I brought it up :-)

Cheers,
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