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Ability to Archive Realms

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mazzy

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I finally had some time to slice up my main campaign and export the different pieces to their new homes. Now that I've tidied things up a bit, I'm not keen on deleting the original campaign until I've had time to double check, in case I missed anything.

I'd like to suggest an ability to archive (and possibly categorize) realms. As our list of realms begins to grow via purchases from the content market, community sharing, and so forth, I'd imagine keeping things organized could become challenging.

Obviously, this is a nice to have type of suggestion, I know there are more pressing features that have priority :)
 
What do you mean by "archive" a realm?

Archive where, and in what format?

You can already export the entire realm as an XML file, which you can later load into a newly created realm.
 
I think they mean delete a realm off the server but have local copy. I think you could do now except that the system blocks you from importing deleted content
 
Actually the reverse. Delete the local copy but leave it in the cloud for later access.

Sometimes you might not be working on a realm anymore but you might not want to lose it forever. Being able to get it again would be handy. But having every experimental realm and old realm cluttering up the realm list would be annoying as well as wasteful of disk space.
 
I can see what kbs666 is getting at.

Would be a nice option. And it might generate some revenue for LWD as some people might need more storage - of course this depends on how exactly the subscription plan will look like.
 
Categorizing (with remembered collapsing) and/or hiding realms would be nice for folks with a lot of them.
 
I raised the issue of needing to improve management of the Realm list because the number each person has is going to increase with the Content Market's availability previously. Rob said they had noticed the potential issues, and had added it to the "to-do" list.
 
The moment you get more concerned with local hard drive space than ones on cloud is the moment you win the lottery. What am I missing? Why pay for cloud space for deleted realm? Store it on hard drive and take it out of realm list is what you want
 
I'll be paying for persistent storage with the cloud service. I assume that anything on my hard drive can and will be lost the next time it crashes.
 
Bidmaron said:
The moment you get more concerned with local hard drive space than ones on cloud is the moment you win the lottery. What am I missing? Why pay for cloud space for deleted realm? Store it on hard drive and take it out of realm list is what you want
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This can be done.
Export the entire realm to a file.
Delete the realm from RealmWorks.

When you later want to recover the realm:
Create a blank realm in RealmWorks
Import the file that you previously saved into that new realm.

(The only caveat to this method is that at some future point in the time the format of the realm backup might change to such a degree that a really old realm backup file might no longer successfully import into RealmWorks. At least, not without performing some manual modification on the XML data inside the backup file.)
 
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Farling said:
This can be done.
Export the entire realm to a file.
Delete the realm from RealmWorks.

When you later want to recover the realm:
Create a blank realm in RealmWorks
Import the file that you previously saved into that new realm.

(The only caveat to this method is that at some future point in the time the format of the realm backup might change to such a degree that a really old realm backup file might no longer successfully import into RealmWorks. At least, not without performing some manual modification on the XML data inside the backup file.)
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Do not do this!

People have done this and found out to their detriment that deleting from the cloud is very permanent. You do not want to find that a change in XML format leaves you with nothing or a corruption in the file loses your data.
 
kbs666 said:
People have done this and found out to their detriment that deleting from the cloud is very permanent.
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HERE is where EightBitz did this very thing and found its permanent delete. :(

To be clear deleting the "local" data from your PC is fine. I have done this multiple times. But if you delete a realm from the cloud its "deleted" everywhere even from backups.
 
ShadowChemosh said:
HERE is where EightBitz did this very thing and found its permanent delete. :(
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No, he made a change to the XML file, and found it would not load again.

He did a restore of the entire RealmWorks database, not an import of an unchanged XML export file into a new realm.

The two things are very different. Performing a "Backup Database" and a "Restore Database" is very different to exporting a realm to an RWEXPORT file and then loading that RWEXPORT file into a new realm.
 
kbs666 said:
You do not want to find that a change in XML format leaves you with nothing or a corruption in the file loses your data.
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Of course, any change in the XML format would also mean that publicly available IMPORT files (such as the shared dungeon) would also not be importable.
 
Farling said:
No, he made a change to the XML file, and found it would not load again.

He did a restore of the entire RealmWorks database, not an import of an unchanged XML export file into a new realm.

The two things are very different. Performing a "Backup Database" and a "Restore Database" is very different to exporting a realm to an RWEXPORT file and then loading that RWEXPORT file into a new realm.
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Agreed in part.
The issue, I think, is that the response there implies that a deleted realm is retained to some degree on the server, and marked deleted. If that is the case, it MAY cause imports that contain the related UUIDs to fail.

Personally, I would make a new Realm and test that before proceeding, just to be safe.
 
Original found here by davidp
When you delete a realm, it is permanent as the server is involved in the deletion and has it as deleted. Doing the restore still leaves the realm deleted from the server's perspective so it gets marked as deleted within the restored database.

This is why we have the big huge warning about deleting a realm is permanent.
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and

It gets extremely gnarly if deleted realms came back with a restore when dealing also with offline usage and the server. There are cases where it can cause very bad things to happen if we allowed it.
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This, to me, sounds like deleting a realm from the server is not an option if you'd like to one day restore it and have access to it via the cloud. I'd be happy with some form of organizing my realms list (like Parody's suggestion), I could easily just create an archive "folder" to throw all the non-critical realms in there so my main list remains uncluttered. Nonetheless, this is one of those "nice to have" type of suggestions, but it will help keep my eye from twitching whenever I see a long list of realms all willy-nilly :p
 
This is the reason why I think we are going to see ballooning of cloud storage, in addition to the non purging of deleted record space one of our other users noted.
 
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