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40k beta3 files

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Sorry I know you said not to ask but I have to...the
Dark Eldar Banana???

Also it appears that a number of marine wargear
options are available to -all- races:
Reductor, Signum, Sacred Standard, Narthecium, and
Servo Arm.
 
One fine day in the middle of the night, David <EvilNuff@yahoo.com> got
up to write:

>Sorry I know you said not to ask but I have to...the
>Dark Eldar Banana???

I can't even remember now. I suspect it was something to do with
properly restricting options to units that can take themselves as
children, but I don't really want to mess around with it in case it
breaks anything. :)

>Also it appears that a number of marine wargear
>options are available to -all- races:
>Reductor, Signum, Sacred Standard, Narthecium, and
>Servo Arm.
>
>From my initial look at it, these all appear in the SM
>data file with an item option of "itst:". Adding a
>race check to this option seemed to fix the problem.
>(I'm still learning ABCreator so I reserve the right
>o be wrong here. :)

Really? That's strange.

Let's take the Signum as an example. Here are the rules it uses to
determine availability; if any of these are true, it's available.

itst:!type=smTermi&(type=?Techmar|type=Salamander)

There is only one rule controlling it, and that's in marines.40k - I
know because I just spent 10 minutes going through every file looking.
Now, if someone could explain exactly how the Ork Warboss, which has the
types:

Ork
Warboss
OrkCommand
WarChild

defined satisfies this, please let me know.

!(type=smTermi)&((type=?Techmar)|(type=Salamander))
! (FALSE) &( (FALSE) | (FALSE) )
(TRUE) & (FALSE)
(FALSE)

As far as I can see.

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>Really? That's strange.
>
>Let's take the Signum as an example. Here are the
>rules it uses to determine availability; if any of
>these are true, it's available.
>
>itst:!type=smTermi&(type=?Techmar|type=Salamander)
>
>There is only one rule controlling it, and that's in
>marines.40k - I know because I just spent 10 minutes
>going through every file looking. Now, if someone
>could explain exactly how the Ork Warboss, which has
>the types:
>Ork
>Warboss
>OrkCommand
>WarChild
>defined satisfies this, please let me know.

I have no idea why but changing the signum to this
line works:
itst:!type=smTermi&(type=?Techmar|type=Salamander)&race=sm
Allows it for all the marine chapters and not for any
other races. It doesn't make any sense to me but I
made the change to my local files and it works for me
as far as I can tell.

-David

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>
> I have no idea why but changing the signum to this
> line works:
> itst:!type=smTermi&(type=?Techmar|type=Salamander)&race=sm
> Allows it for all the marine chapters and not for any
> other races. It doesn't make any sense to me but I
> made the change to my local files and it works for me
> as far as I can tell.

This restricts it to SM chapters, but any sm character can still pick up the
item.

Shawn Campbell
shawn@electricstitch.com


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I believe I figured out the problem.

The problem with this is ?Techmar is not a unit type, it is an unique ID.
Also, it is Techmr not Techmar.

Change the line to:
itst:!type=smTermi&(reg=smTechmr|type=Salamander)

Shawn Campbell
shawn@electricstitch.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn Campbell [mailto:shawn@electricstitch.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:12 AM
> To: armybuilder@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AB] Re: 40k beta3 files
>
>
>
> >
> > I have no idea why but changing the signum to this
> > line works:
> > itst:!type=smTermi&(type=?Techmar|type=Salamander)&race=sm
> > Allows it for all the marine chapters and not for any
> > other races. It doesn't make any sense to me but I
> > made the change to my local files and it works for me
> > as far as I can tell.
>
> This restricts it to SM chapters, but any sm character can still
> pick up the
> item.
>
> Shawn Campbell
> shawn@electricstitch.com
>
>
>
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Important note to data file writers!

Type comparisons use the '?' character as a wildcard. Once the '?'
character is encountered, all remaining text in the type is IGNORED. If the
types match up to the '?', then the types are declared a match.
Consequently, the use of the '?' as the first character is effectively a
global match - i.e. it matches EVERYTHING. The problem in the above syntax
is the use of "type=?Techmar", which matches anything and results in the
items appearing.

AB uses simple wildcards - not the highly complex syntax supported by
Unix's "grep" command. This is mentioned in the documentation, but I just
thought I'd post a reminder, since this is the source of the problem in the
current 40K files. Colen has already been notified about this.

I have no idea how much work this will be for Colen to fix it, though. :-(

Thanks, Rob


At 11:31 PM 10/4/00 +0100, you wrote:
>Now, if someone could explain exactly how the Ork Warboss, which has the
>types:
>
>Ork
>Warboss
>OrkCommand
>WarChild
>
>defined satisfies this, please let me know.
>
>!(type=smTermi)&((type=?Techmar)|(type=Salamander))
>! (FALSE) &( (FALSE) | (FALSE) )
> (TRUE) & (FALSE)
> (FALSE)
>
>As far as I can see.


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Shawn wrote:
>This restricts it to SM chapters, but any sm
>character can still pick up the item.

Hmm good point. Can you tell I don't play marines
much? :) I've mostly been playing around in my data
files to see what does what so far.

Rob wrote:
>Type comparisons use the '?' character as a wildcard.

>Once the '?' character is encountered, all remaining
>text in the type is IGNORED.

I was thinking that it might be something like this.
Is there a chance it might have something to do with
the itst attribute as well...the fact that every army
can see it even when not told to include the marines
data file I mean?

-David

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One fine day in the middle of the night, Phil Groff
<philip@psych.utoronto.ca> got up to write:

>> Really? That's strange.
>
>> Let's take the Signum as an example. Here are the rules it uses
>> to
>> determine availability; if any of these are true, it's
>> available.
>
>> itst:!type=smTermi&(type=?Techmar|type=Salamander)
> OK,
>  
> I'll take a shot at it from the perspective of formal logic, so it
> might not quite match programming logic in AB, but here goes...
>  
> smTermi & (type=?Techmar | type= Salamander) is the test you are
> setting up, right? You want to fail this test in order to get the
> item, right?

You forgot the ! at the start. The expression must evaluate to "true"
for the item to be available.

> Let me know if I'm way off base here, but I think the way you've
> diagrammed the rule later in your posting is inconsistent with the
> way you've written it above.

Your assumptions are flawed :)

So, as it turned out, were mine; the wildcard ? character didn't work
the way I expected it to. New files out soon, indeed out today if I
think there's enough new stuff in them.

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