Ogre Kingdoms

Where are the Rules for Honcho, Head Honcho, Flingers and many of the specific gnoblar types? There are trial rules published in White Dwarf, but not in the codex.

i dont have the white dwarf with these rules in, are they available naywhere on the internet?

I have the Ogre Kindoms info, I can fax this information for you. What is your fax number?

sorry, i dont have a fax machine... can you maybe scan it in?

I'll scan and post here.

Rules Attached

Please see the scanned images fromWhite Dwarf to complete the Ruleset for the Ogre Kingdoms?

Thanks

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To do a credible job at adding the Gnoblar list to the datafile the maintainer would also need information on the items available to the Gnoblar Lord and Hero characters. The list of those items was included in the same issue of White Dwarf as the pages shown above. Unfortunately, I do not have that issue available for scanning.

and the special rules w/ gnoblar type description on the pages previous are also needed

I don't believe it is the responsibility of the end-user to get into this level of detail. This is why I bought a product, rather than building it myself. Though I have provided some info, the data file owner should be accessing this material and incorporating it into the data file.

The data file owner is a volunteer. He's not getting paid for any of this. Add to that the product never promised any datafiles would be provided.

I understand that the data file owner is a volunteer. However, there is an inherent responsibility involved in taking on that role of data file owner. As such, you can't do the job half way.
If someone offers to give you a ride, it is their responsibility not to leave you off part way to your destination when you could have gotten a ride from someone else.

Said Gnoblar list is by no means official, which means even under the assumption that he has any kind of responsibility
to the files he does not have one to this army...Especially with GW (but with other games as well) trying to maintain
every set of rules that they publish, whether official or not, is a daunting task for a single person...There's a reason that
the 40K files are done by comittee...

It also requires a financial investment on our parts (yes I'm a file author for other systems)...Now for the most part we
own the relivant rulebooks already since we like the games we code for...We're volunteering our time which we wouldn't
do if we didn't love the game and desire to make life easier for other players...Unfortunatelly since we're volunteers
it also means that we don't receieve anything for our efforts (except praise and grief)...We have to spend money to make
sure our rules are up to date, and when you are talking about game systems as big as GW's that ends up a lot of
money...the implication that an author has to own all of the rules means they either have to work very hard to support
not only their hobby but also their datatfile or they have to be independantly wealthy...And since most of us work we also
have to find time in our schedules to write the files in a reasonable timeframe and find some time to play ourselves...

This wasn't intended as a rant but I guess it turned into one...Please let me end by saying I appreciate all of the effort
put forth by all of the data file authors whether I play the game or not...And especially thank you to Robert as I get more
use out of WF6 then any other!

And again, there is no 'responsibility' for being the data file owner. There is no contract or rules that says he must do this or that. Only his own conscience. I've seen more than one data file owner quit because people couldn't accept that fact and kept badgering them about petty little things. If you don't like the job he's doing, then step up and do the job yourself or else let him do it in the way he feels is best.

First off apologies to robert for jumping into another author's forum!

dgirolamo said:

I understand that the data file owner is a volunteer. However, there is an inherent responsibility involved in taking on that role of data file owner.

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You are claiming an unwritten and unstated 'responsibility' for a data file author - please remember that all the authors are volunteers as Ghaz said, and as such there is no responsibility for including any sub lists etc or setting a datafile up in any particular way that a user wants or to be brutally honest including any particular lists in any way shape or form.

dgirolamo said:

If someone offers to give you a ride, it is their responsibility not to leave you off part way to your destination when you could have gotten a ride from someone else.

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To continue your euphemism, if someone offers you a ride to get you from A to B then half way through you decide that you want to visit C, D and E via a particular route. You can get to the 'destination' with the files as they are, however you want a new one after accepting the 'lift'.

dgirolamo said:

Though I have provided some info, the data file owner should be accessing this material and incorporating it into the data file.

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And to extend the euphemism even more, it is like asking for a lift to London, but not bothering telling the person where in London you want to go to, then complaining that they should buy a guide book to get to your destination!

Basically what it boils down to is you are throwing your teddy in a corner because a volunteer who does have a real life outside coding the datafiles hasnt produced a sub list for you even though they don't have the info available!

A couple things that do need noting about the OK-part of the latest list, in my opinion, are: Possibly changing the magic from an item to a 'normal', if that's the word, magic list? And the Scraplauncher, which is called a 'squad' in the amry list, rather than by unit name as the other entries are.

I will put these units on the list of things to add.

dannyboy2k:

Possibly changing the magic from an item to a 'normal', if that's the word, magic list?

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I believe all mages in the ogre army can cast the same spells, and dont need to learn any? in that case the normal spell list isnt needed, since they can just all refer to the same one.

the scraplauncher thing is a bug.