Mysterious Racial Bonus

ASqirrel258 · April 21st, 2021, 11:11 AM

I have recently started reviewing an Adaptive Shifter Grappler that I made a while back, since I should be playing him again, and I've ran into a slight problem. It seems that I have somehow obtained a +4 racial bonus to my CMB grapple check. It does not apply to my grapple CMD. My character is a human, and I have taken off all of his magic items, gotten rid of all adjustments, unchecked every box under the in play tab, and it still persists. Are unexplained bonus's a bug with Hero Lab Classic? I've been using it for a while, and I haven't had something like this happen before.

Krothos · April 21st, 2021, 01:21 PM

Doesn't the Grappler gain the grab ability to one of its attacks? This would provide a standard +4 CMB to grapple checks.

ASqirrel258 · April 21st, 2021, 03:15 PM

I'm sorry, I should have been a bit more clear. He is a full shifter, 10th level, so he doesn't have the grab ability until he wild shapes into something with grab. As a human, he still has the mystery +4 racial to Grapple.

Dami · 12:24 AM

Have you taken the Reactive Form "Evasive Form"? (You get one every two levels.)
"The adaptive shifter gains compression, a +4 dodge bonus to her CMD against grapple combat maneuvers, and a competence bonus equal to her Wisdom modifier on Escape Artist checks."

EDIT: Sorry, got the CMB and CMD confused. Maybe post a copy of your portfolio and we can take a better look at the Hero.

ASqirrel258 · April 22nd, 2021, 12:28 PM

No, I do not have the reactive form "Evasive Form". I don't believe that would have solved the problem anyway, as the racial bonus is only to my grapple CMB, not the CMD. The forms I have selected are: Adaptive Defense, Resistant Form (twice), Sensory Form, Sky Hunter Form (twice), and sprinting form. I don't think any of these would give me a racial bonus to grapple. I also have the feats improved grapple and greater grapple, but those are labeled as untyped bonuses. As noted above, I have also removed all magic items and spell adjustments. There still remans a weird +4 racial bonus to my grapple CMB.

ASqirrel258 · 10:02 AM

My bad, I did not even realize I could attach my profile, I would have done it from the start, lol. So, here is my profile. In it, you will see two characters. The first one is my original creation, which has the +4 Racial bonus to grapple. The second is a duplicate I made so I could try and figure out where the bonus came from, but it doesn't have the bonus. I fully acknowledge that this bonus is probably some kind of bug or glitch or whatnot, I just don't know how it got there, as I couldn't even find any kind of trait, feat, or ability that would give +4 racial to grapple.

Mathias · April 23rd, 2021, 10:33 AM

Report this as a bug - it's the Sargassum Fiend polymorph adjustment - it's applying its racial bonus even though the polymorph is turned off (and actually, racial bonuses to polymorph wouldn't be something you should get from an active polymorph either).

Mathias · April 23rd, 2021, 10:37 AM

Oh, and for future reference, here's how I found that:
In the develop menu, make sure "Enable Data File Debugging" is checked.
Right-click the grapple listing in the Basics summary, and choose "Show debug field histories for XXXX"
filter for "racial", and then look for a value of 4, and see what script is responsible for that.

ASqirrel258 · April 23rd, 2021, 10:40 AM

Thank You, I really appreciate this. This has been bugging me for a while.

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Krothos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 429 April 21st, 2021, 01:21 PM	Doesn't the Grappler gain the grab ability to one of its attacks? This would provide a standard +4 CMB to grapple checks.
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ASqirrel258 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 7 April 21st, 2021, 03:15 PM	I'm sorry, I should have been a bit more clear. He is a full shifter, 10th level, so he doesn't have the grab ability until he wild shapes into something with grab. As a human, he still has the mystery +4 racial to Grapple.
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Mathias Senior Member Lone Wolf Staff Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,897 April 23rd, 2021, 10:33 AM	Report this as a bug - it's the Sargassum Fiend polymorph adjustment - it's applying its racial bonus even though the polymorph is turned off (and actually, racial bonuses to polymorph wouldn't be something you should get from an active polymorph either).
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