Kreger Bjorn
Member
I was wondering how many devices can be connected at a time with the standard license. Also, how much are additional licenses and are they available at this time?
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
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Additional licenses?
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morpheusdreams
Member
I would love to share my system purchase with my players. Theres no way they'd shell out for the full system but if i could share the ability to create character sheets based on my system purchases and manage their sheets like in real life that'd be ideal and I could totally see them using it
wheredoigo
Well-known member
The standard subscription allows only one connected device at a time. At least for now. There is supposed to be a way to increase that, but I do not know how to do so.
morpheusdreams
Member
as long as they do it with different logins that'd be fine. as i dont want to account share, i just want my players to have their character sheets
As of right now:
I believe in the near future, we'll be launching an option in the store to enable additional concurrent devices for account (up to a max of ~5 I think). These are primarily intended for families, where spouses and/or children often share accounts for convenience.
It's possible that we have other unannounced plans for the future, but BJ will have to comment on that.
- Each separate account must purchase a separate license
- Each account is limited to one concurrent device
I believe in the near future, we'll be launching an option in the store to enable additional concurrent devices for account (up to a max of ~5 I think). These are primarily intended for families, where spouses and/or children often share accounts for convenience.
It's possible that we have other unannounced plans for the future, but BJ will have to comment on that.
morpheusdreams
Member
So i can buy a copy of the book and share it with my party in real life but if i want my players to use HLO so they can do character management you aren't satisfied with additional subscription fees but you want them to stump up $35 and more each? Could we get confirmation that that is the plan?
Would the concurrent devices all have to use the same username / password? Can we have confirmation on the concurrency limit?
Would the concurrent devices all have to use the same username / password? Can we have confirmation on the concurrency limit?
So i can buy a copy of the book and share it with my party in real life but if i want my players to use HLO so they can do character management you aren't satisfied with additional subscription fees but you want them to stump up $35 and more each? Could we get confirmation that that is the plan?
Would the concurrent devices all have to use the same username / password? Can we have confirmation on the concurrency limit?
So multiple people can use the book at the same time?
HLO allows you to share your account with multiple people, just not at the same time. Just like a book.
Would the concurrent devices all have to use the same username / password? Can we have confirmation on the concurrency limit?
Yes, concurrent devices on an account are tied to one account, with one username and one password only. Concurrent devices are primarily intended for 2 use cases:
1) Families (spouses/parents/children) who share accounts for convenience, parental supervision, etc.
2) Individual power users who want to dual (or triple) wield multiple devices (e.g. phone + laptop) simultaneously without being inconvenienced by being periodically logged off of any of them.
In both of these cases, sharing credentials is either a non-issue, or even preferred (e.g. parent and child). Concurrent devices are explicitly NOT intended for use among friends, especially since it would not be good practice to share any sort of credentials with them.
You guys should really create a way that both you and the customers are happy with to enable the GM to share with their table. GMs will quite often open their pockets to ensure their players are playing using the technology that the GM wants to use.
D&D Beyond have done really well in this regards with the ability to share books.
D&D Beyond have done really well in this regards with the ability to share books.
morpheusdreams
Member
No 6 people can't simultaneously use a book but they can pass that book round the table and note down their information on their character sheets very quickly, something you would not be able to do with HLO even with one device since you would have to swap in and out of character sheets. Saas should make things easier and more convenient not harder.
One username and password for multiple people, as you say same family is intended, is absolutely appalling security principles.
As a GM i would quite happily buy an additional CAL subscription only fee for the book to enable my players to build their character sheets from my "book" as they would do in
real life, it's a shame that Lone Wolf seem to just want to gouge people with their unfinished product. Glad I've requested a refund. Shame cos it looks good and could be really useful
One username and password for multiple people, as you say same family is intended, is absolutely appalling security principles.
As a GM i would quite happily buy an additional CAL subscription only fee for the book to enable my players to build their character sheets from my "book" as they would do in
real life, it's a shame that Lone Wolf seem to just want to gouge people with their unfinished product. Glad I've requested a refund. Shame cos it looks good and could be really useful
morpheusdreams
Member
Then they've negotiated a bad license agreement.
No 6 people can't simultaneously use a book but they can pass that book round the table and note down their information on their character sheets very quickly, something you would not be able to do with HLO even with one device since you would have to swap in and out of character sheets. Saas should make things easier and more convenient not harder.
One username and password for multiple people, as you say same family is intended, is absolutely appalling security principles.
As a GM i would quite happily buy an additional CAL subscription only fee for the book to enable my players to build their character sheets from my "book" as they would do in
real life, it's a shame that Lone Wolf seem to just want to gouge people with their unfinished product. Glad I've requested a refund. Shame cos it looks good and could be really useful
If they were to allow this, it would effectively be reducing their potential sales by 80%, what sane business would allow this. You can't do this with HL right now either, unless your doing it illegally.
Personally, I would like to see LWD stay in business and not shoot themselves in the foot.
You guys should really create a way that both you and the customers are happy with to enable the GM to share with their table. GMs will quite often open their pockets to ensure their players are playing using the technology that the GM wants to use.
D&D Beyond have done really well in this regards with the ability to share books.
I don't think D&D Beyond is a an apples to apples comparison. D&D Beyond is more WotC than LWD is Paizo. I also didn't see mention of support for multiple RPG game systems on D&D Beyond.
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So you speculate on someones speculation.. Typically when you license access to something you pay per instance. Amazon has to pay the publisher for each digital book sold. Did they negotiate a bad license too?Then they've negotiated a bad license agreement.
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No 6 people can't simultaneously use a book but they can pass that book round the table and note down their information on their character sheets very quickly, something you would not be able to do with HLO even with one device since you would have to swap in and out of character sheets. Saas should make things easier and more convenient not harder.
Print to PDF, and then make annotations with a suitable PDF reader?
That sounds like the electronic equivalent of the same.
I very much doubt it's LWD controlling this. Keep in mind they pay a license fee to use content under the terms and agreements of said license.
Fantasy Grounds allows sharing of the DM’s purchased Pathfinder content while the PC’s are in game so I would very much doubt it’s a license restriction.
If they were to allow this, it would effectively be reducing their potential sales by 80%, what sane business would allow this. You can't do this with HL right now either, unless your doing it illegally.
Personally, I would like to see LWD stay in business and not shoot themselves in the foot.
I don’t agree with your logic on this. I would argue that the vast majority of your so called “potential sales” are people who would never pony up the money for HLO in the first place. Giving GM’s the ability to buy additional licenses for these types of players opens an entirely new revenue stream for LWD.
Fantasy Grounds allows sharing of the DM’s purchased Pathfinder content while the PC’s are in game so I would very much doubt it’s a license restriction.
This is different than the use case mentioned. In this case the players have to be in a "game", HLO has no concept of a "game" right now. Hopefully with the advent of group play features this will change, in this case LWD will probably need to negotiate this use case with Paizo.
In addition, fantasy grounds needs to be purchased by all players for $39 or the GM ponies up $149.
I don’t agree with your logic on this. I would argue that the vast majority of your so called “potential sales” are people who would never pony up the money for HLO in the first place. Giving GM’s the ability to buy additional licenses for these types of players opens an entirely new revenue stream for LWD.
What? $10/license revenue? That is not a stream, more like a one time drip.