Skeletons don't seem to follow their own rules...

[Unseelie]

Hero Lab does, but the actual stat block from the Bestiary doesn't seem legal by its own rules. I noticed that when I attempted to equip a scimitar, shield and chain shirt.

In the bestiary, they're only listed as having Improved Initiative. The skeleton template in HL gives them Simple Weapons as well, but they would need Martial to use a Scimitar, and they have no armor proficiencies.

Thoughts (other than giving them the extra feats)? Also, is there a way to assign the broken condition to items?

[Mathias]

Why not pull in the stock portfolio version of the skeleton, instead of re-entering all that information yourself?

[Unseelie]

Originally Posted by Unseelie

Hero Lab does, but the actual stat block from the Bestiary doesn't seem legal by its own rules. I noticed that when I attempted to equip a scimitar, shield and chain shirt.

In the bestiary, they're only listed as having Improved Initiative. The skeleton template in HL gives them Simple Weapons as well, but they would need Martial to use a Scimitar, and they have no armor proficiencies.

Thoughts (other than giving them the extra feats)? Also, is there a way to assign the broken condition to items?

There is the bit under attacks that states that they retain the weapon proficiencies of the base creatures... but they lose all class feats, so no scimitar. I don't think the stat block is taking a non-proficiency penalty.

[Unseelie]

Originally Posted by Mathias

Why not pull in the stock portfolio version of the skeleton, instead of re-entering all that information yourself?

It was an experiment, as I was trying to see what was and wasn't working from when I tried to build a huge, multiplying minotaur skeleton... so I tried to recreate the stock to see how it worked.

There do seem to be a bunch of consistencies... but I'm not sure how much of that is that Paizo isn't following their own rules in this particular case.

That said, IS there a way to apply the broken condition to weapons and armor?

[ShadowChemosh]

Originally Posted by Unseelie

There is the bit under attacks that states that they retain the weapon proficiencies of the base creatures... but they lose all class feats, so no scimitar. I don't think the stat block is taking a non-proficiency penalty.

Creatures with specific weapons in the statblock are considered proficient with those weapons and armor. So skeletons are proficient with scimitars.

Originally Posted by Unseelie

That said, IS there a way to apply the broken condition to weapons and armor?

On the "Adjust" tab is a Broken adjustment you can apply to break the weapons/armor.

[Unseelie]

Originally Posted by ShadowChemosh

Creatures with specific weapons in the statblock are considered proficient with those weapons and armor. So skeletons are proficient with scimitars.

I think you mean that they are SUPPOSED to be proficient with those weapons and armor. I just created a human, assigned it the skeleton template and it is non proficient with scimitar and with all armors... which is what I said to begin with.

I'll file a bug on the skeleton template.

On the "Adjust" tab is a Broken adjustment you can apply to break the weapons/armor.

Ah, okay. I was looking for it to be a weapon adjustment in custom weapons.

Edit: Just tried that... doesn't appear to be working for armor. Broken chain shirt is still granting +4 AC instead of +2. I'll file a bug on that as well.

[Mathias]

Since the skeleton template itself doesn't provide any support for them having scimitar proficiency, only the fact that the sample skeleton has it, it's been left up to individual GMs to assign the specific proficiencies that each skeleton needs, depending on what weapons it's been assigned.