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Old October 10th, 2021, 10:28 PM
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Loving it.

A few other issues I found:

1) Within topics, governed content, relationships, and inbound/outbound links aren't in alphabetical order, even though that's how Realm Works displays them. It gets a bit unwieldy without that alphabetization with a lot of those links.

2) Some links aren't there. For instance on my Arvandor topic (the domain of the Seldarine, not the layer that governs it), in Foundry some of the deities' name's are not clickable links, though they are in Realm Works. Labelas Enorath and Shevarash are examples in the file I sent.

3) Some links are dead, and outlined in dotted red lines, even though they work fine within Realm Works. On my Portals of the Multiverse topic, you can see five of them as examples.

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Old October 11th, 2021, 01:12 PM
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[Edited to add some issues]

Loving it.

A few other issues I found:

1) Within topics, governed content, relationships, and inbound/outbound links aren't in alphabetical order, even though that's how Realm Works displays them. It gets a bit unwieldy without that alphabetization with a lot of those links.

2) Some links aren't there. For instance on my Arvandor topic (the domain of the Seldarine, not the layer that governs it), in Foundry some of the deities' name's are not clickable links, though they are in Realm Works. Labelas Enorath and Shevarash are examples in the file I sent.

3) Some links are dead, and outlined in dotted red lines, even though they work fine within Realm Works. On my Portals of the Multiverse topic, you can see five of them as examples.
For ordering purposes, the same order is used as they appear in the RWoutput file. I don't know if RW allows child topics to be arranged in a non-alphabetical order within RW itself.

I will have another look to see what links might be missing. I think there are some links which it isn't possible to re-create because of the way that "aliases" are handled in the RWoutput file.

I've found one issue where topics with special characters in their title weren't linking properly, so a topic with a name like "pie & mash" would cause links to it to be created as broken links.

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Old October 12th, 2021, 02:52 AM
I think child topics in RW are always alphabetized, which is how I like it anyway, so it threw me off when they weren't ordered right in Foundry.

If aliases don't work, I might have to go through and convert some links before exporting. I've become used to using everything from aliases to custom links based on what looked best in the particular context. What are the limitations on which ones don't work?

One of the broken links is my "Welcome to the Realm" homepage. I wonder if it might not work because it is a unique topic in RW with no topic type.
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Old October 12th, 2021, 05:39 AM
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I think child topics in RW are always alphabetized, which is how I like it anyway, so it threw me off when they weren't ordered right in Foundry.

If aliases don't work, I might have to go through and convert some links before exporting. I've become used to using everything from aliases to custom links based on what looked best in the particular context. What are the limitations on which ones don't work?

One of the broken links is my "Welcome to the Realm" homepage. I wonder if it might not work because it is a unique topic in RW with no topic type.
Hi,

As you can see, I've pushed out a small update to deal with topic with & in the title.

I need to check aliases again.

The issue is that the RWoutput file only contains the text for the link inside a "span" element, with no mention as to where that link is actually connected.

For each topic, the RWoutput file also has a list of "linkages", but there's no indication as to where each linkage appears in the actual topic!

Because only the text of the link is in a "span", sometimes the import module will see a "span" and assume that it is a link - and so might create a broken link rather than not showing any type of link at all. This is the reason that "Himinborg" appears to be a link the Portals topic.

The RWoutput file you previously sent me didn't include the topic called "Welcome to 'The Realm'" so I see broken links to that topic when I test with your file.

I tried creating some additional links in one of my own realms, and they appeared in the RWoutput with NO span at all; so the import module didn't think that there were any links at all in that topic.

I may have to revisit whether I should be using the RWexport file as the basis for the import - but that gets far more complicated in processing the XML file.

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Old October 13th, 2021, 05:06 AM
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Hi,

As you can see, I've pushed out a small update to deal with topic with & in the title.
Thanks!

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I need to check aliases again.

The issue is that the RWoutput file only contains the text for the link inside a "span" element, with no mention as to where that link is actually connected.

For each topic, the RWoutput file also has a list of "linkages", but there's no indication as to where each linkage appears in the actual topic!

Because only the text of the link is in a "span", sometimes the import module will see a "span" and assume that it is a link - and so might create a broken link rather than not showing any type of link at all. This is the reason that "Himinborg" appears to be a link the Portals topic.
Himinborg should be a real link, but it's a custom link to "1st - Ysgard (Layer)", which is probably at least as tricky as a link to an alias.

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The RWoutput file you previously sent me didn't include the topic called "Welcome to 'The Realm'" so I see broken links to that topic when I test with your file.
That's actually the name of my RW home page--the one you get when you click the house button next to the back button. Looking at it, it seems its topic category is "Realm Starting Point".

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I tried creating some additional links in one of my own realms, and they appeared in the RWoutput with NO span at all; so the import module didn't think that there were any links at all in that topic.

I may have to revisit whether I should be using the RWexport file as the basis for the import - but that gets far more complicated in processing the XML file.
I'll be happy with whatever we end up with. It's really useful in any event. As long as I know what glitches aren't fixable I can try to work around them.

Also, the roll table extraction is really cool! I can see a few of my random encounter tables got converted. I'll check and see if there are others that didn't and what the differences might be.

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Old October 16th, 2021, 09:16 AM
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That's actually the name of my RW home page--the one you get when you click the house button next to the back button. Looking at it, it seems its topic category is "Realm Starting Point".
I think this is a BUG in Realm Works: the HOME PAGE topic is not put into the Realm Works Export file.

This will affect anybody who tries to use that page in a realm that they want to export to another user.

Links TO the home page do get put into the Export file, but the topic to which the link points does not get created - maybe this will generate an exception/error during import into a new realm.

Even the "Duplicate Topic" link is disabled, so it isn't a trivial matter to make it a normal topic within Realm Works.

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