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Dami
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Old November 13th, 2015, 02:33 AM
Thanks Togainu, Aaron.

Yes, the class doesn't use spells and text states CL for invocations only. [My sources are 3.5 Complete Arcane, Errata and PFRPG Conversion Guide, and PFRPG Core.]

I like the Warlock and I'm mostly like to have it for NPC's. I've changed very little to convert it to PF. (I'm happy to post my Class description and user file if anyone's interested.)

Since 99% of their capabilities are spell-like abilities that are subject to spell resistance (and some requires saving throws), I'd like HeroLab to display a Caster Level and appropriate bonuses for Caster Level Checks, etc. I also want them to be able to be able to take some feats (that I feel they qualify for) without a validation error.

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Originally Posted by Togainu View Post
As an example lets take a crafting feat (Pathfinder version one at least) require you to have a caster level by class. So the Warlock class wouldn't qualify for that.
Complete Arcane states: "For feats or prestige classes requiring a minimum caster level, creatures that use spell-like abilities or invocations instead of spells use either their fixed caster level or their class level to determine qualification. For example, Craft Wondrous Item has a requirement of caster level 3rd, so both a 3rd-level warlock and a nixie (caster level 4th for its charm person spell-like ability) meet the requirement."
On this basis I'd also like HeroLab to accept a caster level for Feat qualification, including Crafting. I accept that a Warlock does NOT qualify for things that have spell-casting as requirements.

In any case this is my interpretation for the campaigns that I run - and if I'm playing in another DM's campaign, I'm happy if they say no to all this.

While I was thinking about Aaron's suggestion for displaying a CL, I came up with another way of doing it which I implemented. Since the Warlock gets to use Detect magic (again a Spell-like ability) at 2nd level (and PF has this as a 0-level spell) I added a "Spells Cast per Level" into the array of 0, 1 (0-level spells) and assigned Detect Magic as the only available spell to be chosen at 2nd level. This now makes HL treat my Warlock as a caster and is assigning a Caster Level.

EDIT: I've been playing around with a test character and I'm thinking of going back to the script, so there's no confusion on the HL display about Detect Magic being a spell-like ability as opposed to it being available as a spell.

Last edited by Dami; November 13th, 2015 at 02:47 AM. Reason: Updated data
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