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any updates?

Farling said:
They have said this several times in the HLO forums.

All new game systems will only be avaiable in HLO.

They will continue to support existing game systems in HLC, but not add new game systems.

Note that "new game systems" includes "new editions of existing game systems".
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Cool. Tell people that a different product is dead in a forum they don’t read for a product they don’t use. Makes sense.
 
Ambush said:
Cool. Tell people that a different product is dead in a forum they don’t read for a product they don’t use. Makes sense.
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Communication is not a strong point here. Damn us for not reading another products forum for updates on a product I do use.
 
meek75 said:
In other posts they have made clear that the promise of updates was only until the CM launched. They consider that a fulfilled promise. I agree that the original promise did not make that at all clear.
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To be fair, its hard to call even that scope fulfilled, since we didnt even get regular weekly updates during that period.
 
Philderbeast said:
To be fair, its hard to call even that scope fulfilled, since we didnt even get regular weekly updates during that period.
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Yeah, when I compare LWD to other companies they just fall short in a lot of ways. I suspect that it is a combination of 1) being a smaller company with less resources and 2) a lack of appreciation for how important communications with users really is in the RPG community. The lack of any real road map for RW is very telling. Let's be honest, with the exception of a few months in the recent past, we haven't seen any significant development of RW in years. That track record and the lack of any road map for the future leaves me without much hope for the product. As a result, I am in the process of abandoning it. I kind of feel like RW was a product ahead of its time and is suffering for it now. If RW was being developed now it would be done differently. I wonder if they almost need to completely start over from the ground up, because it seems that even small updates are massively hard to pull off. HLO looks so nice and modern by comparison. They didn't upgrade HLC, rather, they started over. It was just easier for them to build from scratch with current tech and practice than to update the existing product. If they had the man power to convert all the HLC to HLO I'm sure they would have done it and totally leave HLC behind. Of course starting over with RW isn't a realistic option for them.I feels like they are just in a very difficult spot with RW. I do think there are things they could do to improve there plummeting reputation though, and better communication is one of them. They feel they don't have time to do, and I think they can't afford to not do it. D&DB and Roll 20 are both putting significant resources into building a stronger community and communication. Those companies are larger and have more resources for sure, but its still significant to observe.
 
Talking about company sizes - how many people are LWD? Roll20, World Anvil and few other are not that bigger. Even Fantasy Grounds team are few but do tremendous job.
 
Philderbeast said:
To be fair, its hard to call even that scope fulfilled, since we didnt even get regular weekly updates during that period.
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With Rob and BJ both having some serious personal issues during that period, I'll give them a pass on that. My grouse is that things haven't really improved.
 
EightBitz said:
With Rob and BJ both having some serious personal issues during that period, I'll give them a pass on that. My grouse is that things haven't really improved.
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Absolutely. It took BJ almost a week and two reminders to get back to my question on FB and provide an answer that she could have posted immedeatly. And this posting wasn't even copied over to the forums.

:(
 
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EightBitz said:
With Rob and BJ both having some serious personal issues during that period, I'll give them a pass on that. My grouse is that things haven't really improved.
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Bottom line is that they don't think it is important and keep pushing it off to focus on things they think are more valuable. I believe they are vastly undervaluing the importance of customer communication and community enthusiasm.
 
Greebo, you repeatedly tagged my personal Facebook in a group not run by LWD while I was on vacation with my family and extended family for the first time in years. Other people came in and indicated I was away. So I didn't answer you straight away. I did, however, ask Rob if he had any details I could give despite being on vacation. I received none and after I was home and still had no information I told you that I had no news.

Please be respectful of my personal spaces and personal time.

That news still hasn't changed. We are not actively working on anything new for Realm Works at this time. We hope to be spinning back around to it in the near future but currently have nothing to share with the public. If I'm given more information in the future I will happily share it with everyone.
 
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I also don't know why ppl are keeping on (forgive me the term) "beating a dead horse" and I don't mean the product to be clear, I mean the topic. Surely there companies who are better at communicating news but there are also worse companies.

LWD has been on numerous occassions very open during the process - which of course opens up some vulnerabilities - if certain promises are not held in the end.

I think it fair to complain about it, but afterwards move on. I for one hope they will continue to support the product and get their stuff in order.

Regarding HLC/HLO - I own neither - but I would have very much preferred the classic version, hearing now that basically support runs out, well I would be a bit annoyed if I would buy that product now for a full price ^^. Probably I dislike subscription models because I would be too lazy to cancel them in time, paying each month for stuff I never need .... (or very rarely)...
 
BJ said:
Greebo, you repeatedly tagged my personal Facebook in a group not run by LWD while I was on vacation with my family and extended family for the first time in years. Other people came in and indicated I was away. So I didn't answer you straight away. I did, however, ask Rob if he had any details I could give despite being on vacation. I received none and after I was home and still had no information I told you that I had no news.

Please be respectful of my personal spaces and personal time.
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I am sincerely sorry to have invaded into your personal space and time. I know how valuabe and scarce that can be.

But I neither knew nor expected you to use your private account for a PR and work related function. And, beyond my my initial question I only tagged you several days after you said that you are going to be back in the office.
 
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