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When you increase the range on powers with extras, the increased range doesn't appear on the printed character sheet. It only shows the powers at their base range
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Grayson7 wrote:
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> I'm not the original poster but I think I know what he is talking about.
> I made the power, Blast and assigned 4 ranks. It gave me a rank of 40
> feet, which is correct because one range increment is rank times 10
> feet. However, when I added the feat, Improved Range, it still listed
> the power's range as 40 feet when it should have listed it as 100 feet
> (rank times 25 feet) instead of (rank times 10 feet). That assumes that
> you intended for the software to actually reflect the change caused by
> adding the feat.
Good point, I'll see if I can get this added. Thanks!
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Colen McAlister, colen@wolflair.com
Chief Engineer, Lone Wolf Development
Actually, with one rank of each, you should have a range increment of 7*25=175 ft and a maximum range of 70*25 = 1750 ft (allowing for 10 range increments again). The two feats don't interact. ^_^ Which is good, really, since it would probably be a pain to set up the interactions if they did.
Try this on for size.
Ah, but it's the 10 that you're increasing on the time and value chart, which goes from 10 to 25.
And, as per Ultimate Power page 13, increasing your range increment does not increase your maximum range. If you only take 1 ranks of Improved range and none of progression, you'd have Blast 7 [Improved Range (range increment 175 ft)] with maximum range (7*10*10 = 700 ft), and only 4 range increments. Add one rank of progression on there and your range increment is still 175 ft, but your maximum range becomes 7*10*25 = 1750 ft and you again have 10 range increments. If you only had Progression (Range), you'd have the standard range increment of 70 ft with a maximum range of 1750 ft and you'd have 25 range increments (although, at -2 per increment, your odds of hitting anything become really slim after 15 or so).
Ah. Basically, the confusion is over the fact that the powers list a "range" at the front of the power that's basically the first range increment (rank x 10 ft). Adding improved range shows the change in increment in the feat, but doesn't affect that first value. Adding Progression, Increase Range doubles that first value.
So, the following output is seen for Blast 10:
No Feats
Blast 10: Range 100ft, DC 25
Improved Range
Blast 10: Range 100 ft., DC 25, Improved Range (250 ft increment)
Progression (range)
Blast 10: Range 200ft, DC 25, Progression, Increase Range (max range x2)
Both feats
Blast 10: Range 200 ft., DC 25, Improved Range (250 ft increment), Progression, Increase Range (max range x2)
That first range is either meant to be the range increment, in which case it's updating with the wrong feat, or the maximum range, in which case it needs to be multiplied by 10, or 25 when the Progression, Increase Range feat is taken once. Going from 10 to 25 can be seen in UP on page 13, FWIW.
The .user file I posted doesn't fix that first value, but it adds a maximum range to the feat. That will give you a formula to paste in whether you added it to the feat, or make that first "range" listed be the maximum range.
{nods} Progression increases the number of increments. According to UP, it does so from 10 to 25 (one application) to 50 (two applications) and so on. Currently, the feat in Hero Lab simply goes up the time and value chart, going from to (max range x 2) to (max range x 5) and so one. The first step should actually be x2.5 (going from 10 to 25) and it would be nice to actually have numbers for the maximum range, as is done for the range increments.However, max range should be, per page 69 of M&M: "...and a maximum range of 10 increments..." so I'm not clear on where the Prog, Improve Range (max range x 2) comes in or what exactly it means.
{nods} Progression increases the number of increments. According to UP, it does so from 10 to 25 (one application) to 50 (two applications) and so on. Currently, the feat in Hero Lab simply goes up the time and value chart, going from to (max range x 2) to (max range x 5) and so one. The first step should actually be x2.5 (going from 10 to 25) and it would be nice to actually have numbers for the maximum range, as is done for the range increments.