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GregDC August 2nd, 2021 12:41 PM

Problems with Skills - Two Items trying to boost same skill
 
I first wish to say how much I like your product. I depend on it to keep my characters within the rules.

In this case, when I go to the Skill screen I show that the Sword Skill allows me to train in one skill. There are no other boxes except the Warfare Lore that is marked with an "*".
And also on Warfare Lore, there is a check already there from "Martial Disciple
Other". This check can not be unchecked. There are two checks in that column both of which are placed there by the program.

Can you tell me how I can correct whatever I have done wrong?

Thank you for your help,
GregDC

Thrawn82 August 4th, 2021 09:47 AM

Which background in particular is giving you the option?

I think there is an issue w some backgrounds that grant a lore skill not properly opening up the skill options if that lore is already granted by another skill.

It way also be that it wants to give you a point in another specific lore but it's not one of the ones pre-made and needs you to add a custom one and name it what it expects

dacoobob August 4th, 2021 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrawn82 (Post 296076)
Ooops, double post from server errors

LWD: *transitions entire business model to an online server-based system*

also LWD: *can't even keep its forums working reliably*

mototom August 4th, 2021 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GregDC (Post 296045)
In this case, when I go to the Skill screen I show that the Sword Skill allows me to train in one skill. There are no other boxes except the Warfare Lore that is marked with an "*".
And also on Warfare Lore, there is a check already there from "Martial Disciple
Other". This check can not be unchecked. There are two checks in that column both of which are placed there by the program.

Some backgrounds or abilities train you in specific skills. HLO will check that skill automatically and you cannot uncheck it.

I assume you're talking about PFS Swords training. That allows you to train one of a handful of lore skills. You might need to add the lore skill you want to train manually by clicking the + icon. When you add a lore skill allowed by Swords, it will also show that skill highlighted and *. The skills you can train for Swords should be listed in a highlighted alert at the top of the skills listójust add one of those lore skills to your skills.

Daniel V August 5th, 2021 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dacoobob (Post 296079)
LWD: *transitions entire business model to an online server-based system*

also LWD: *can't even keep its forums working reliably*

Apples and oranges, we're not a forum host. Not my wheelhouse on the state of things there, but the HLO servers and forum servers have nothing to do with each other.

Anyways, yeah, when a thing trains you in a specific skill, that skill is automatically checked. Some things will open themselves up if you have multiple sources of the same skill training, so you can train something else, such as in the case of class and background skill trainings overlapping. I don't think PFS Swords training is one of those though. As for Lore trainings, like mototom said those must be added manually if there's an option, at which point they will indicate that they're valid options. We avoid automatically adding lore skills that can't be removed if they're optional, since there's a finite number of skills that can be present on a character.

dacoobob August 5th, 2021 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel V (Post 296087)
...there's a finite number of skills that can be present on a character.

what is the maximum number of skills? having a relatively low limit seems like a problem, considering the number of potential Lore skills is effectively infinite.

dacoobob August 5th, 2021 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel V (Post 296087)
Apples and oranges, we're not a forum host. Not my wheelhouse on the state of things there, but the HLO servers and forum servers have nothing to do with each other.

nevertheless, it doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

Daniel V August 5th, 2021 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dacoobob (Post 296090)
what is the maximum number of skills? having a relatively low limit seems like a problem, considering the number of potential Lore skills is effectively infinite.

Looks like it's 30 skills, so you can add 14 additional skills above the base.

dacoobob August 5th, 2021 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel V (Post 296092)
Looks like it's 30 skills, so you can add 14 additional skills above the base.

what's the reason for the limit of 30? i mean i understand having a limit, but why that number in particular?

Daniel V August 5th, 2021 12:51 PM

It's just a large number so that a good number of skills can be added, but not an infinite number that would have a negative impact on the performance of the portfolio. It used to be 26 for +10 skills, but people seemed to be hitting that a bit more than expected, so we added another 4 for a round 30.


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