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monsterfurby November 19th, 2014 12:47 PM

Players cannot sync?
 
When I (GM version) first invited my players (player version) to my game, they were able to sync with it. However, that now seems impossible - the option is greyed out with the remark that their account level is not sufficient. Since my changes don't appear for them on their own, I assume that they should be able to sync and that this is something going wrong - am I right?

rob November 19th, 2014 02:11 PM

We are working to get a bug fix release out shortly with fixes to the various issues that have been reported today. Stay tuned...

monsterfurby November 19th, 2014 02:14 PM

Cool, thanks for the quick feedback!

jkthomsen9 November 19th, 2014 03:09 PM

Just some more info. My GM version can sync. My new player versions can not after they load the realm. You can delete the local data and then sync the realm.

liz November 19th, 2014 03:25 PM

This should be resolved in the latest update. Please have your players check for updates under the Tools menu in the launcher, grab the latest version, and try now!

Dark Lord Galen December 10th, 2014 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by liz (Post 197803)
This should be resolved in the latest update. Please have your players check for updates under the Tools menu in the launcher, grab the latest version, and try now!

Was this resolved? I have no problems syncing but both of my players can't seem to. At first I thought it may be a windows 8 thing, but one player is running XP... If not resolved I will forward to players to turn in Bug report.... just didn't wish to be redundant if this had been resolved... Thanks
DLG

liz December 10th, 2014 09:43 PM

DLG, it should be resolved. So please have your players submit bug reports.

kate December 10th, 2014 11:09 PM

At least one of my players is also still having this problem. Bug report it is.

Dark Lord Galen December 11th, 2014 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by liz (Post 199311)
DLG, it should be resolved. So please have your players submit bug reports.

K, thanks for FAST response Liz
:D

liz December 11th, 2014 08:52 AM

No problem, DLG!

jkthomsen9 December 11th, 2014 03:13 PM

One of my players is also having this problem today. I asked him to submit a bug report. it would ask to sync. He would sync and it would say sync was successful. He would open realm and it would inform him that the realm was out of sync. Rince and repeat. After about five times of this he just opened the realm, but did not have the latest update.

I was able to fix the issue with the nuclear option. I had him delete local data. He was then able to sync normally.

Seregil December 11th, 2014 03:54 PM

Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

jkthomsen9 December 12th, 2014 01:03 PM

well it usually works. :)

jerrycnh February 1st, 2015 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkthomsen9 (Post 199363)
One of my players is also having this problem today. I asked him to submit a bug report. it would ask to sync. He would sync and it would say sync was successful. He would open realm and it would inform him that the realm was out of sync. Rince and repeat. After about five times of this he just opened the realm, but did not have the latest update.

I was able to fix the issue with the nuclear option. I had him delete local data. He was then able to sync normally.

Having this exact problem now as well. I'm confident the nuking will work, but is there progress on finding a root cause? Any logs/feedback I can give the team on this before we fix it?

rob February 1st, 2015 02:01 PM

If this happens, the only thing that helps to ultimately solve this is to submit a bug report!

In addition, we probably need your database. Otherwise, there's likely no way for us to figure out exactly what's wrong and fix it. This means we need the GM to make a backup of his database when the problem is occurring. Don't send it to us immediately, but have it available so you can provide it if we ask for it.

It seems there is a case in the sync logic where we're not handling things perfectly, resulting in situations where we incorrectly determine that something needs to be synced when it doesn't. Since this only happens in seemingly obscure cases, we need to isolate exactly where that error is occurring. That's a difficult task, and it's vastly harder if we don't have concrete examples to analyze. And the more examples we have, the better chance we have of finding similarities that will uncover the actual problem.

So please make a backup and start with the bug report. Thanks! :)

Redjack February 2nd, 2015 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerrycnh (Post 202712)
Having this exact problem now as well. I'm confident the nuking will work, but is there progress on finding a root cause? Any logs/feedback I can give the team on this before we fix it?

I had several players with the same issue yesterday. Finally late in the day, both synced successfully. I think Realm Works is not properly handling network latency. Sometimes it is silently giving up and reporting successful syncs, even when it fails. Sometimes it fails with an error, but I witnessed on several computers (each with different player accounts), and on multiple Realms (this weekend) Realm Works reporting a successful sync, but it not syncing.

Redjack February 2nd, 2015 06:51 AM

I will add that twice over the past two weeks as GM, I have encountered a similar issue:
1) Make changes to a realm
2) Return to Realm Menu
3) Sync. Get success message.
4) Exit
----
1) Come back later and open realm works.
{Can't remember if it showed out of sync or it I made updates and then went to sync them}
2) Sync. Error message about the local database and cloud being out of sync.
Just how in the world does that occur when I'm the only one updating the realm?

Chemlak February 2nd, 2015 08:13 AM

Just to check, Redjack: do your players have Player Edition? I think that it will show a sync required if they update (and sync) notes in between times.

Redjack February 2nd, 2015 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chemlak (Post 202778)
Just to check, Redjack: do your players have Player Edition? I think that it will show a sync required if they update (and sync) notes in between times.

Yes, my players have player edition. To be clear, here was what was happening that resolved itself.

1) Open realm works player edition.
2) See the sync button.
3) Click it. Sync finishes with pop up that it completed.
4) Click ok. Realm still shows the sync button instead of "up to date"
5) If they open the realm, I can see that it is clearly not up to date.
6) Steps 1-5 repeats MANY times.

I had two players in the same room with me trying to get a sync from updates I made. At one point of them them actually got an update, but the other didn't (same results as above). By the time the game ended Sunday evening, both finally, truly, synced.

TwistedGM February 2nd, 2015 10:55 PM

I just bought a 5 pack players edition this afternoon, gave out 3 of the activations, got everything set up with those 3 players and all was good. That is no longer the case as they can no longer sync... It says complete but it is not.

I understand the whole "Submit" a bug report... however my question is simple, why release broken software? I paid 30 bucks for something that will not operate as advertised, and this is not an isolated instance... very disappointed.

jerrycnh February 3rd, 2015 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redjack (Post 202772)
I will add that twice over the past two weeks as GM, I have encountered a similar issue:
1) Make changes to a realm
2) Return to Realm Menu
3) Sync. Get success message.
4) Exit
----
1) Come back later and open realm works.
{Can't remember if it showed out of sync or it I made updates and then went to sync them}
2) Sync. Error message about the local database and cloud being out of sync.
Just how in the world does that occur when I'm the only one updating the realm?

I think I can explain that one. I've noticed that if I /delete/ anything and then go to update, that message pops up because it knows you're going to lose something. Always kinda freaks me out because I get paranoid I'll somehow pick the wrong one. :)

Thankfully I don't delete stuff very often.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob
If this happens, the only thing that helps to ultimately solve this is to submit a bug report!

Gladly, but how does one submit a bug report when the system /thinks/ it's working fine? It's not crashing or anything, the symptom is just that the realm on Player Edition constantly /thinks/ it's updating successfully when it isn't, and then gets stuck in the endless loop of Sync Successful, You Need to Sync to Get In, Sync Successful, You Need to Sync to Get In.

My player did complain shortly thereafter that his internet in general was being slow, which does support Redjack's theory above.

Parody February 3rd, 2015 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerrycnh (Post 202885)
Gladly, but how does one submit a bug report when the system /thinks/ it's working fine?

You visit the Report a Bug link on the website:

http://www.wolflair.com/realmworks/report-bug/

I've put everything through there: actual bugs, random issues, minor suggestions that aren't worthy of a thread, and full-bore suggestions in there, probably to where the Devs get sick of it. :)


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