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Grey Mage December 12th, 2015 10:45 PM

Preferred Text
 
I know I have read somewhere about this in another post, so feel free to move it there.

Is there a simple way to set a 'default' preferred text (font/size) so that when using the 'Text Content -> Clear Text Formatting' option it would automatically use the desired default?

Vargr December 12th, 2015 10:59 PM

Go to Manage.
Choose Preferences.
Select Styles in the left most column.

This should give you what you want.

Grey Mage December 13th, 2015 10:37 AM

Vargr

I have already done that.

None of the options there allows you to reset the basic system font/type size (Tahoma 9); it appears to be hardcoded.

Vargr December 13th, 2015 11:22 AM

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That is weird.

I will test that.

Hmm, it works here - but bear in mind that it only changes the text in the snippets (what you have typed), not the heading of the topic, the tags or the section headings and various other places. Which, I might add, looks like an oversight.

Setting the style:
Attachment 4270

The result:
Attachment 4271

I do NOT recommend those settings...


So to sum up:

The style settings seems to only alter some of the text (name, the text inside the snippets).
I would have expected it to change the text globally.

Parody December 13th, 2015 12:34 PM

Realm Works says that the style is only going to affect Text Snippets, Notes, and Journals right above the setting. You can see it in your first (way too wide!) image. :)

I thought initially that Realm Works might be at least partially keying off your system settings for some or all of the headings, but it doesn't seem to be doing that. Letting you (eventually) set the font and color for the headings seems like a reasonable feature request. Perhaps this would be a per-user feature rather than a realm setting, as the headers are different in the web client previews we've seen.

Vargr December 13th, 2015 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parody (Post 220546)
Realm Works says that the style is only going to affect Text Snippets, Notes, and Journals right above the setting. You can see it in your first (way too wide!) image. :)

[my colour coding]

I know - just now succeeded in adding an image to a post, so I guess I got carried away.

I will try to limit myself next time :-)

Parody December 13th, 2015 12:43 PM

Sorry. I do tend to harp on it sometimes. :)

Grey Mage December 13th, 2015 01:02 PM

Vargr,

Are you cut and pasting some text with different fonts and colors, then using the 'Text Content -> Clear Text Formatting' option (wrench on the right top of the snippet) to clear all previous colors, styles, fonts, sizes, etc?

What I am asking for is something that will take that 'cleared' text to a defined default text.

Parody December 13th, 2015 02:07 PM

OK, now that I understand what you're doing it looks like a bug. I'd expect the Clear Text Formatting command to reset text snippets to the formatting specified by the Normal style. You should probably submit it via the online bug reporter.

Vargr December 13th, 2015 08:32 PM

I agree with Parody, it must be a bug (or an undocumented feature).

I, too, would expect Clear Text Formatting to revert it to your default text style.

Even more strange is, that when you choose
1: Wrench to the right of snippet
2: Snippet Style
3: Normal

It just reverts to the Tahoma, size 9 regardless of what you have in styles, normal.

I guess that there are a few kinks to work out after the introduction of styles.

If you lodged a report, I am sure that it will gradually be corrected with each new release.

Fox Lee January 2nd, 2016 01:13 PM

Did this get submitted? I've just run into it now, and I'm super not keen on manually tweaking dozens of snippets in several hundred topics just because I fancy the default style being a little bigger :\ If nobody has submitted it yet, I'll happily do so myself.

Vargr January 3rd, 2016 07:18 AM

I have sent a bug report and it has been pushed on to their "fix it" pile.

Where exactly it ended up in their pile I don't know :-)

Greebo January 4th, 2016 03:23 AM

I have a rather annoying problem with my preferred text settings:

Saving text snippets often leads to an automatic change in text spacing and/or rather font style change. The resulting spacing kicks text out of the visible part of the snippet box and the "font indicator" (the small field in the format menu) turns empty. Highlighting individual parts of the snippets shows the right font style and size (those of my preferences), but positioning the cursor behind the last sign shows a different font style than preferences. Across all my realms and independent of the set preferences the last sign or paragraph mark apparently turns into Cambria Math.
Changing the font style of the whole snippet and saving results in correct display until the next changes. But that is time consuming and does not work with annotations to tag snippets like charakter role.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1704/...fcb7d891_q.jpgRealm Works font error

Does anyone else encounter this problem? Or knows of a work around while I wait for my bug report to get worked off?

davidp January 4th, 2016 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greebo (Post 221426)
... turns into Cambria Math.

It has been reported by others that they get double-spacing due to having Cambria Math font installed. In the other two reported cases, they were able to resolve things by uninstalling Cambria Math font. Do you know what caused Cambria Math to get installed on your computer? Was this a recent occurrence?

Parody January 4th, 2016 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidp (Post 221449)
Do you know what caused Cambria Math to get installed on your computer? Was this a recent occurrence?

I have it on my main machine (Windows 7, Office 2003) and my Windows 10 testing VM (Windows 10 Insider Fast ring, OneNote, previously had the Office Preview apps).

Poking around Microsoft Support: Cambria Math Regular comes with Windows Vista, 7, and 8; Microsoft Office 2007 and 2010; and the 2007/2010 viewers and converters. It appears that it'd also come with Office 2013 if you have the Equation Editor installed.

Removing Cambria Math Regular will probably make the Equation Editor not work. It needs you to have a font installed that Office recognizes as a math font.

davidp January 4th, 2016 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parody (Post 221451)
I have it on my main machine (Windows 7, Office 2003) and my Windows 10 testing VM (Windows 10 Insider Fast ring, OneNote).

Cambria Math Regular comes with Windows Vista, 7, and 8; Microsoft Office 2007 and 2010; and Microsoft Office 2007 and 2010 viewers and converters.

(continuing to poke around Microsoft websites)

And presumably you don't have a problem with text becoming double-spaced in Realm Works? It then makes me wonder if the Cambria Math font you have is the same as Greebo has.

davidp January 4th, 2016 12:17 PM

And, you mention Cambria Math Regular. Is it different from what Greebo has as Cambria Math?

Parody January 4th, 2016 12:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by davidp (Post 221455)
And presumably you don't have a problem with text becoming double-spaced in Realm Works? It then makes me wonder if the Cambria Math font you have is the same as Greebo has.

I haven't seen anything like that, but I haven't done a lot of text editing since 200 either. If you look at Cambria Math in other applications (Wordpad or even Character Map) you'll see the same spacing; it's built into the font, or at least version 5.96 of Microsoft's version of it.

The question remains, though: why is Realm Works substituting in a symbol font?


Quote:

Originally Posted by davidp (Post 221456)
And, you mention Cambria Math Regular. Is it different from what Greebo has as Cambria Math?

It's the full name. Cambria Math is the typeface, Regular is the style. If you had more variants installed, you might also have Cambria Math Italic, Cambria Math Condensed Extra Bold, and Cambria Math Semi Bold Italic.

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I'm just being overly specific. They're the same.

kbs666 January 4th, 2016 02:14 PM

Almost everyone has Cambria Math installed. It comes as part of Win 7, 8 and Office 2013. Telling people to uninstall the font is not really the answer to this problem.

davidp January 4th, 2016 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbs666 (Post 221463)
Almost everyone has Cambria Math installed. It comes as part of Win 7, 8 and Office 2013. Telling people to uninstall the font is not really the answer to this problem.

It is an answer to the problem. It is most likely not the only answer. But it gets very hard to diagnose the underlying problem when it cannot be reproduced at will (i.e. deliberately on another person's machine) and if the answer of uninstalling a font is acceptable to someone encountering that problem, then it is an acceptable answer.

Grey Mage January 4th, 2016 04:32 PM

So, coming back from holiday and checking this thread, I take it that the original issue is now on the 'fix it' pile and that sometime in the (hopefully near) future it will appear as a fix in an update...?

That is good enough for me.

It would be interesting to see how tall that pile is, wouldn't it??

Happy new year everyone... really excited to see how RW morphs/develops this year. Reminds me of the first versions of HeroLab.

AEIOU January 4th, 2016 07:53 PM

No. No it wouldn't. I'm not good with extreme heights....

Parody January 5th, 2016 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidp (Post 221464)
It is an answer to the problem.

It's a workaround, not a solution. It seems likely that some other font would be substituted instead, but you wouldn't notice right away because it doesn't have the strange spacing. Then you'd start to see bugs like "I went to add text to a snippet and it was in a completely different font than what was already there."

Then again, you might not see that if the HTML renderer is looking for a glyph that isn't in most fonts but is in a font that specializes in mathematics symbols. If no font on the system had the glyph, would it put in something else as a missing glyph or is the error suppressed? And why is it looking for some strange glyph in the first place?

More stabs in the dark.


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