Realm Works Content Market - Pricing Details & More

[MNBlockHead]

How would you change this? What would be a good policy? There was a suggestion that Paizo give a PDF copy for free with a hard copy. They could do this for future purchases, but what about the millions(?) of books already sold?

So I see the following two options, taking Dragon's Demand as an example:

Option 1:
PDF: 17.99 (with credit for already owned PDF)
RW: 9.99

Option 2:
RW: 26.99 (no PDF required or given)

Which is better for the consumer?

I would allow folks to buy for RW or for FG, etc., without having to buy the PDF. Why would I want the PDF if I have the content in RW? This is especially true for adventure material. If I have an adventure or adventure path in RW, I don't need or want to book or (especially) the PDF.

To me, it just seems like a weird, needlessly complicated requirement.

If I played Pathfinder, however, I would likely still buy it, despite my grumbling because the overall cost is still not bad for having it in RW. Of course if I ever start playing PF, I have the advantage of starting fresh and will have no reason to spend money on the books (except maybe whatever PF's version of the PHB is for use at-table when someone else is running the game).

 

[Dhrakken]

Sure. But the way your worded it, it sounds like a condemnation of LWD.

I guess we may just be coming from different places. I didn't buy RW to get and run published material. The content market is just a "plus" for me.

I bought RW to build my home brew campaign world. I doubt I'll buy any Paizo material anyway.

I'm more interested in game-neutral, fantasy-themed content that I can use in my campaign.

Since I'm looking to eventually run a couple of the official 5e APs, it would be nice if I could buy those from the CM to put in RW, but if they are not available or if I find them too expensive, I'll just run the game from the books. That won't mean that I no longer "support" LWD.

Yes, we are coming from two different places, as I noted in my edit, I don't have the time and was really looking forward to the content market for that reason. But making me repurchase material that I already own is asinine. You may think I'm frothing at the mouth but this isn't really a question of money (I wouldn't be in this hobby if it was); it's more a matter of principal. You may not agree with my opinion but I am entitled to it.

 

[MNBlockHead]

Edit: Also, if I won't be purchasing anything from the content market then I won't be supporting LWD by purchasing the RW cloud subscription either and will likely just simply not use the tool. I just don't have time to enter everything from scratch into RW and I've been delaying starting the second part of my campaign for the content market. It's just so disappointing that this (it if was known before which seems likely) wasn't communicated earlier. I was really really looking forward to using this tool... I even built a tv gaming table with the mindset to use RW and a VTT together for my sessions... I guess all is not loss as I can still use the table for the VTT.

Thanks for the clarification. Again, we are coming from very different perspectives. I never bought RW to run published adventures. The fact that I soon can is great, but even if the CM never came to fruition, RW would still be a valuable game aid for me.

Sorry for the rant, I'm just so incredibly disappointed.

No problem, keeps the discussion boards interesting.

Still, while I know that it is disappointing to have to dip into your pockets again after spending so much on printed material, isn't it still worth it to be able to run the game from RW?

For me, I would probably still pay the extra money and buy one less board game or cut back on my Patreon, DrivethruRPG, and Kickstarter spend. I like running my games from RW that much.

 

[Dhrakken]

Still, while I know that it is disappointing to have to dip into your pockets again after spending so much on printed material, isn't it still worth it to be able to run the game from RW?

I wish I knew as I have yet to do so...

 

[MNBlockHead]

Yes, we are coming from two different places, as I noted in my edit, I don't have the time and was really looking forward to the content market for that reason. But making me repurchase material that I already own is asinine. You may think I'm frothing at the mouth but this isn't really a question of money (I wouldn't be in this hobby if it was); it's more a matter of principal. You may not agree with my opinion but I am entitled to it.

Hey man, I understand. I called Paizo's policy "stupid" and I don't play PF and am not at all affected by their pricing policy.

Paizo is a business and ultimately, they will charge what they think the market will bear. If gamers can't bear it any longer, there are lots of other options. Lot's of indie publishers putting out some cool stuff.

 

[AEIOU]

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[Toblakai]

I would allow folks to buy for RW or for FG, etc., without having to buy the PDF. Why would I want the PDF if I have the content in RW? This is especially true for adventure material. If I have an adventure or adventure path in RW, I don't need or want to book or (especially) the PDF.

To me, it just seems like a weird, needlessly complicated requirement.

If I played Pathfinder, however, I would likely still buy it, despite my grumbling because the overall cost is still not bad for having it in RW. Of course if I ever start playing PF, I have the advantage of starting fresh and will have no reason to spend money on the books (except maybe whatever PF's version of the PHB is for use at-table when someone else is running the game).

So you would opt for option 2? You get less with option 2 then with option 1, but it is a lot nicer to the folks that already own PDF content.

 

[Viking2054]

Yes, we are coming from two different places, as I noted in my edit, I don't have the time and was really looking forward to the content market for that reason. But making me repurchase material that I already own is asinine. You may think I'm frothing at the mouth but this isn't really a question of money (I wouldn't be in this hobby if it was); it's more a matter of principal. You may not agree with my opinion but I am entitled to it.

So, you want to make some other person enter all the information into RW for you and not pay them? Sounds like slavery to me! Just because you purchased a clock and have it in your house doesn't entitle you to have a second clock free of charge. Real work was done in order for you to receive the copy put into RW and the person that did the work and the company that own the IP deserve to be compensated for it. If you want to argue how much compensation, that's fine by me... but you are not entitled to it for free just because you purchased it sometime in the past.

 

[Dhrakken]

So, you want to make some other person enter all the information into RW for you and not pay them? Sounds like slavery to me! Just because you purchased a clock and have it in your house doesn't entitle you to have a second clock free of charge. Real work was done in order for you to receive the copy put into RW and the person that did the work and the company that own the IP deserve to be compensated for it. If you want to argue how much compensation, that's fine by me... but you are not entitled to it for free just because you purchased it sometime in the past.

Wow, way to totally misrepresent what I said.... I have no issues paying LWD for their part. It should be obvious that my issue is with repurchasing Paizo material that I already own in order to be able to access the RW content market... hardcopy vs pdf's...

Why do I feel like I was just trolled here?

 

[Dhrakken]

I feel like I need to clear the air here a little as I recognize that my original comment may have come across as something other than what I intended. My issue is with Paizo and this new policy. I also recognize that LWD likely had no choice but to agree to this policy in order to gain access to the Paizo material.

Unfortunately, as I do not wish to support Paizo and this policy; I don’t think it was well thought out, it doesn’t support the local game shops and appears to be nothing but a cash grab. This means I cannot support RW through the content market as I cannot access the content market without supporting Paizo and their policy.

I know the LWD team has done an amazing job putting this tool together and have worked very hard to get the tool to where it is now and I have absolutely no issue with compensating them for their hard work. I just can’t do that and not support Paizo at the same time; they go hand in hand.

To all those that have said to vote with our wallets, that is what I am doing and LWD, you have lost a customer for agreeing to implementing this policy with Paizo. To those that don’t agree with my stance, so be it, flame me all you want, I really don’t care. At least I took the time to let LWD know how I feel and didn't just simply "disappear".

Peace.

 

[kbs666]

You could always not but Paizo's products but buy other products on the CM. Razor Coast is well thought of for instance.

 

[BJ]

Evening everyone!

I understand the pricing details may have upset a few of you, but let's all try to get along. The Content Market has its ups and downs and there are plenty of aspects about it we all love, as well as those we dislike. These items may be different for each person. And that's OK! We still have to work within the confines of our license. There are many of our customers who would prefer to have the content in some way rather than not at all.

The good news is we are going to keep working as hard as we can to make sure all our customers have the items they want from various companies. It may take longer for some than others, but we will get there!

Dhrakken,

You have to make the decision that's best for you, and we respect that. We wish you the best and hope to see you again one day. But in the end, we don't get to choose how other companies handle the licensing of their content. What you COULD do is continue to use Realm Works for the amazing campaign management tool it is and support LWD through the purchase of third party or system neutral content. If you choose not to do that, we still understated, and wish you the best.

 

[Toblakai]

Wow, way to totally misrepresent what I said.... I have no issues paying LWD for their part. It should be obvious that my issue is with repurchasing Paizo material that I already own in order to be able to access the RW content market... hardcopy vs pdf's...

Why do I feel like I was just trolled here?

How would you like Paizo to handle it? What is your solution? How about for someone that re-purchases a used copy of a book, what do they do? Give Paizo some options that work.

One thought maybe a page can be torn out of a book and mailed to Paizo for credit?

 

[Bidmaron]

No one wants to rip up their books

 

[Toblakai]

No one wants to rip up their books

Then how does a person who owns a paper version of a book get credit for it? Give Paizo a way to do it for existing book owners.

 

[Mystic Lemur]

I have to say, I think it's hugely unfair to penalize people who buy hard copies of Paizo's books over the PDFs.

They're not penalizing anyone. They're allowing people who already own the digital content a discount. If they didn't, then we would all likely be paying the RW+pdf price, if not higher, to cover the cost of the license. You're telling me you would be happy with the higher price if it didn't come with a pdf?

 

[Billy277]

Quite frankly, I would be happy if the requirement didn't exist at all. I know Paizo is at fault, not LWD. But it makes it very frustrating for long-time hard-copy buyers like me.

 

[Viking2054]

It's all going to come down to money vs time. Those that don't want to pony up the cash, then I guess they are going to have to pony up the time by entering the data themself. What's more valuable to you, money or your time?

 

[Toblakai]

It's all going to come down to money vs time. Those that don't want to pony up the cash, then I guess they are going to have to pony up the time by entering the data themself. What's more valuable to you, money or your time?

I will buy, I just don't have anywhere near the time to enter info into RW, would much rather be playing that doing data entry. Assuming they come out before we finish them I will be getting the following AP; Rise of the Runelords, Serpents Skull, Giant Slayer, Wrath of the Righteous, Shattered Star, Strange Aeons I will also buy Dragon's Demand, mostly just to see what a professional RW module looks like.

I currently don't see any need for any of the core books/supplements. My group also does not play with any 3PP, though if I can talk my players into being evil (Have some players that find it not really to their taste) I may buy Way of the Wicked. I am really hoping AP's are the next thing coming to the content market, hopefully the new StarFinder AP too.

 

[Pollution]

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