Rogue Talents vs Ninja Tricks

Asandir · March 21st, 2013, 06:11 PM

Working on another data file and as I was looking at how to build something, I ran into a question as I started looking at the data.

Rogue talents, the rogue receives them at various levels. The Ninja is an alternate version of the rogue and gets Ninja tricks. As I was reading various Rogue Talents/Ninja Tricks I started wondering if they really made sense for the Rogue or if the rogue should even be eligible for them.

For example:
Acrobatics Master:
As a swift action, a ninja with this trick can focus her {i}ki{/i} to grant her a +20 bonus on one Acrobatics check of her choice made before the start of her next turn. Using this ability expends 1 {i}ki{/i} point from her {i}ki{/i} pool.

Searching on Ninja tricks returns the following:
Benefit: A rogue with this talent can choose a trick from the ninja trick list. The rogue can choose but cannot use talents that require ki points, unless she has a ki pool.

the only classes that have a Ki Pool, I think, are Ninja and Monk...

So what would be the point in having the rogue be eligible for Acrobatics Master, unless the character has a ki pool. Wouldn't that be a pre-condition of selecting it? Unless I am missing something.

Thoughts?

Mathias · March 21st, 2013, 08:20 PM

There's a Rogue Talent that grants you a Ki Pool, so once you take that, you're eligible for the Ninja tricks that require a ki pool.

Asandir · March 22nd, 2013, 03:07 PM

That's right. I'd forgotten about that, but the question remains to some degree, should the Rogue be able to select a Talent that requires a Ki Pool, before they have a Ki Pool?

Mathias · March 22nd, 2013, 03:15 PM

That's a known bug.

Asandir · March 22nd, 2013, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathias

That's a known bug.

Great! Then I am done and thanks for your assistance.

tampasatyr · July 18th, 2015, 11:03 AM

I still do not have the option to add Ki Pool as an option.

AndrewD2 · July 18th, 2015, 03:01 PM

Do you own the Ultimate Combat data package? It is part of that book and required for the ability to gain that talent.

Corey Young · February 10th, 2019, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mathias

That's a known bug.

I’ve purchase and enabled the Ultimate Combat package, but I still don’t see Ki Pool as available.

Am I missing a checkbox? Or have I checked one too many. I’ve applied the PFS filter, but that should only gray out the option, right?

Mathias Senior Member Lone Wolf Staff Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 13,213 March 21st, 2013, 08:20 PM	There's a Rogue Talent that grants you a Ki Pool, so once you take that, you're eligible for the Ninja tricks that require a ki pool.
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Asandir Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 335 March 22nd, 2013, 03:07 PM	That's right. I'd forgotten about that, but the question remains to some degree, should the Rogue be able to select a Talent that requires a Ki Pool, before they have a Ki Pool?
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tampasatyr Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 10 July 18th, 2015, 11:03 AM	I still do not have the option to add Ki Pool as an option.
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AndrewD2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Muskegon, MI Posts: 2,975 July 18th, 2015, 03:01 PM	Do you own the Ultimate Combat data package? It is part of that book and required for the ability to gain that talent.
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