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Will there be Lifetime Licenses available?

daleperchn said:
I just want the software now so that I can start entering information. I probably wouldn't actually be using it for gm'ing until Jan, 2015 at the earliest. And I'm in a dual-Master's program, so that's also assuming that I delay starting that second degree...
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Yep - Us early access'ers had the same problem then EA was delayed. We started out Rise of the Runelords campaign in May/June and I desperately wanted access to begin data entry/prep work for that campaign, but in the end the delay killed me using it for the first part of our campaign. Still haven't really caught up but hopefully our next campaign will be fully supported by RW from the start.

It kills using OneNote, however. :)

Mowgli said:
$250 was not easy for me to come up with at the time and within the time frame of the Kickstarter. It would have been MUCH easier to sock away a few bucks a week over the next six months. But I chose to give up a few things with the idea that I was getting a reward for taking that chance. If it turns out I could've gotten those things then and still gotten the lifetime cloud for the same price later I'm honestly gonna be a little upset. Flaming, rip-roaring mad? Nope, far from it. But it'll leave a bad taste.
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I know how you feel, It was hard for me too as I don't typically have that sort of cash lying around spare (having 3 kids is expensive!).
$250 is a LOT of money to lay down, but I am betting it pays off in the longer term. :)
 
Oh and as an aside - just checking out the FAQ at the bottom of the KS page, point 26 specifically states:

26. As an Alpha Wolf Backer, what does it mean to get “top tier cloud service for the life of your account”?​

As an Alpha Wolf Backer, you will receive the highest tier of cloud service available and this will be available to you for free for the life of your account. There will be no on-going, monthly cost to utilize the Realm Works cloud, so you'll realize all the advantages it provides to you and your players without any costs. This is a Kickstarter-only perk, as we have no plans to allow the purchase of lifetime cloud support in any other way. It is a unique opportunity available only to Backers, and is similar to a “lifetime subscription”. You're essentially pre-paying at one price to help get the Kickstarter funded now, after which you won't have to pay for the cloud service again.

The “free for life” cloud service is account-specific. If you close or delete your Realm Works account, the perk would expire and could not be associated with a different account at a later time. This option also cannot be transferred to others once it is established.​

Having said that, I personally (as an Alpha Wolf backer) don't have a problem with LWD offering it after release, but potentially other backers might have a problem with it. Given this statement though it should probably NOT be priced below the $250 that Alpha Wolves had to come up with during the KS campaign.

I guess we all just have to wait and see what LWD offer when firm pricing options are announced.

Peace.
 
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I know I'm interested in a lifetime membership as well. Not having used the product, I don't have a concept of what "reasonable" would be yet, but yes, I'm interested. I'm pretty sure that $100 would be an automatic "yes" and >$300 would be an automatic "no", but I'm not sure beyond that.
 
My guess if it DOES happen it will be in the $250-$300+ range. That way it will not upset the people that have already done the Lifetime for the Kickstarter and keep the financial bargain in the range for wanting/needing a lifetime sub option.
 
Jaynay27 said:
Oh and as an aside - just checking out the FAQ at the bottom of the KS page, point 26 specifically states:

26. As an Alpha Wolf Backer, what does it mean to get “top tier cloud service for the life of your account”?​

As an Alpha Wolf Backer, you will receive the highest tier of cloud service available and this will be available to you for free for the life of your account. There will be no on-going, monthly cost to utilize the Realm Works cloud, so you'll realize all the advantages it provides to you and your players without any costs. This is a Kickstarter-only perk, as we have no plans to allow the purchase of lifetime cloud support in any other way. It is a unique opportunity available only to Backers, and is similar to a “lifetime subscription”. You're essentially pre-paying at one price to help get the Kickstarter funded now, after which you won't have to pay for the cloud service again.

The “free for life” cloud service is account-specific. If you close or delete your Realm Works account, the perk would expire and could not be associated with a different account at a later time. This option also cannot be transferred to others once it is established.​
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Thanks, Jaynay! I knew I remembered reading something like that, just couldn't recall where. That's what makes it a "reward" rather than simply a paid service.
 
now that it's nearly a year on since my initial pledge, I'd certainly be interested in upping my second (arctic wolf) account to the alpha wolf level.
 
There is certainly something to consider:

Due to the delays in the planned release (all with good reason as it has been explained elsewhere) perhaps LWD could consider offering KS backers an option to 'upgrade' to the level of the lifetime data subscription.

Even if it was not at the same cost level, I would certainly be interested.
 
I can easily see myself paying $250 or $300 for a lifetime cloud membership.

With the right 'perks', I would pay more than that.
 
Laruuk said:
I can easily see myself paying $250 or $300 for a lifetime cloud membership.

With the right 'perks', I would pay more than that.
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Haven't used the software yet, so it very much depends on how much I ultimately like it, but if it's as useful as it looks, around $200 would be what I'd be willing to pay as well.
 
monsterfurby said:
Haven't used the software yet, so it very much depends on how much I ultimately like it, but if it's as useful as it looks, around $200 would be what I'd be willing to pay as well.
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As pointed out previously, with lifetime top-tier cloud access stated as a kickstarter exclusive, if they did offer it again I think you would have a few backers upset if it was offered at a lower price point than offered during the kickstarter campaign.

Having begged & borrowed to get myself to the $250 tier for that sole purpose, I would not be happy if they offered the same package at a reduced price from what I have already invested.

Exclusivity is one thing (that I don't personally have a problem with breaking), but price is an entirely different matter.

FWIW - I think once you get to play with the software you will see that $250-$300 will be money well spent :)
 
As someone who also has that lifetime perk I would also agree that that I don't have a problem with breaking the exclusivity of that particular offer, but only if it were not at a lower price point. Lone Wolf could probably send out a poll/email on that question, though, if they really wanted to see how it would be received by others in the same boat. As a company it's not really a good idea to alienate Kickstarter backers and such since those are folks who basically say upfront that they are willing to invest in a product that they've never even seen and have no real guarantee that it will even manifest. Those folks are a hard core set of customers that will cost you a lot more in the long run if you sour that relationship and will lose you credibility if you ever decide to crowdsource any other projects in the future, so it's definitely something a company will want to be very wary of.
 
Lifetime stuff is great but it sure kills incentive to improve the product once everybody signs up for it. It is also usually non-transferable to a new company if somebody bought Lone Wolf. (I used to have a lifetime everything TSR eer makes setup for example, but strangely enough, WOTC didn't honour it when they bought the company).

I haven't seen it anywhere but a modified lifetime idea that might work would be that the lifetime price you paid gives you the right to buy version updates (or versions on different platforms) at half the normal update price after the first 3 (or whatever makes economic sense). You wouldn't have to buy each update if you didn't think it was worth it though, since I've seen some pretty bad ones over the years from companies.

This would give incentive to keep producing new stuff.
 
Well, to be clear here the lifetime thing mentioned is for top-tier server/cloud access, not necessarily for software updates. That may well be a separate thing if LWD decides that v2.0 is so vastly different/improved that they want to charge for the upgrade. Nothing they did in the Kickstarter prevents them from asking for that at all.
 
Commenting on the flipside to Alpha Wolf Backers' general consensus that lifetime should not be less than or equal to $250 given what was stated in the Kickstarter, I would definitely be willing (after testing the cloud out, of course) to pay $400 or so for lifetime cloud and would find it more than fair that the price was higher because of previous promises.

I also do think it's a good idea to poll the backers and that level and let them decide, by majority vote, whether or not to let us have the option. I wouldn't recommend offering it without their approval.
 
250 would be kind of high for my budget, but if the software is what I'm hoping it will be, I'd be willing to save up for it.
 
As another Alpha, I have no objections to breaking the exclusivity but would be if the price point was lower than what I paid.

I think the real question is at what point does it stop making sense for Lone Wolf to offer lifetime access, from a money perspective.
 
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