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No matter how many zeros are in the price tag, I've not seen anyone advertising or marketing what they don't do, with the rare exception of a product that takes the "we don't do everything, we just do this one thing better than anyone else" approach and that approach just doesn't work well with a Swiss-army-knife product like RW. The main difference with pricey software and inexpensive hobby software like RW is that with the pricey software, you have a lot more access to the sales team, who you meet in person. You also have RFIs, RFPs, procurement experts, and a cross-functional teams who identify requirements, create business plans, etc. The funny thing is, I've only spent $50 or whatever I spent when I bought RW and not a dime since, but through the forums I've had a great deal of direct access to the developers. Not just middlemen sales folk, not just user volunteer "evangelists," but the owner of the company and the guys writing the code. The amount of communication and transparency seems very inefficient in terms of cost vs reward. The market here, I suppose, is somewhat special. LWD is serving a small but very passionate market. They are providing a tool that we use to create and store our creative efforts. But it is easy to see why there are not many people making the efforts and investments to provide software to support this market. Maybe the vertical I work in is unusual. I would like to see examples of companies spending marking dollars advertising what they are not selling. RW Project: Dungeons & Dragons 5th edition homebrew world Other Tools: CampaignCartographer, Cityographer, Dungeonographer, Evernote |
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I wouldn't place a bet with a single penny on that or any other date/time frame that is posted here from anyone INCLUDING the LW staff. I've been disappointed to often now that I do only believe something will get available to us once it is actually available and not a single second earlier.
I had high hopes for the GenCon that there would be some kind of presentation of actually NEW things, like what Content would be available at the first Wave that was mentioned in the GenCon Newsletter but as it turns out: Not a single bit of new information since April just the ever repeating "We are progressing". Yeah I read the Releasenotes of the latest RW version that claim that it does contain significant changes for the upcoming CM. I'll tell you something: I don't care, I'm a kickstarter backer and from the features that where supposed to be done from the kickstarter only a very few are actually achieved with a delay of 3 YEARS. Quote:
The "automatic change detection and resolution" isn't anywhere as you can't change different things on different PC's at the same time because you will lose every change you make at one PC. Yes It detects a problem and all it does let you "resolve" is that you can choose to either have the Cloud or the Local Data be the master. That's not automatic that's manual and calling it a solution is quite far-fetched. And as for Customer Calendars: It was mentioned as an already working feature during Kickstarter. Yes it turned out to be not as flexible and useful as it was expected to be, BUT within 3 years after the supposed release it's something that should be working again(!). Countent Market is called as SOON so often I lost track. Sure I can use RW to enter my own content or copy/organize published content from PDF to RW, but to be honest almost everything I could do now I could already do with the special pre-release version I got before the initial release. The only benefit would be that the players could use the Player Edition to access the Revealed content, yet no one from my group does. That last part is obviously not the fault of LW, but if it is just used by me the benefit is not as high as only having to buy already made content and tailor it a bit to fit my needs and run it. Unfortunately I don't have the time to do that in every detail that I would like because I do also have a job and something else to do. So I'm more than willing to pay for others to do that for me, but even after three years I still can't. Unfortunately there are no GenCon Videos for this year so far, if there ever will be. So for a person that could not understand the only source so far is this board and reading that "NOTHING NEW" was presented I think that this is a bad sign. Well, I read it that instead of Rise of the Runelords the presentation on RW on the GenCon was done with the Emerald Spire Paizo Module? That's not even getting a "Cool" from me as presenting the same functionality that has been presented with RotRL for the last two years on GenCon with a different Module is not progress. I could be totally wrong but as said before the only source I have available is this board and the statement here was "NOTHING NEW". |
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the below +1000.
this is what our group needs and what, frankly, I thought RW would provide given the description of the Player Version. Sad Face. Quote:
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@Tharmiones
First of all let me say that I hear your frustration, and that I understand. Excuses are worthless, so I won't give you any. We know we've disappointed you all, and we're certainly disappointed in how long things are taking ourselves. That said, allow me to clarify one of your points though. There's an important difference between Rise of the Runelords (as shown in years past) and Emerald Spire (which we showed this year): Rise of the Runelords was entered in by hand. For the scale of the Content Market and the amount of content we want to make available at a decent rate, we discovered that this approach would simply not be viable. A significant portion of our recent delays have been due to us coming to this realization and changing our approach. Emerald Spire is one of the first units of content to be coming off our new partially-automated production line. We've built a number of internal tools that have made it far faster for us to prepare content for the market. The upfront cost of this tooling has been significant, but we think it's the right call in the long term. This will allow us to keep new content flowing to the market in a steady stream, rather than a slow trickle. |
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I would happily +1000 having that tool available either as a part of RW or just as a tool that can be downloaded.
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Agreed on the desire to see the import tool released in some format to the wider community. It would really be a boon for folks who use a lot of published content.
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Well personally I would think twice, if they made a large investment, to get content in, it would probably not be the smartest thing to hand it out to everyone else for a bargain. Also who knows what kind of tools these are and how the input data needs to be prepared.
For us end users, there should be a well thought out and nifty import / export functionality, but regarding professional preparation of content in terms of content market quality, will not be archived with this... That said, I'm currently try to work with the tools at hand. Some things with RW I really like and some I really hate, since it takes LWD quite some time to fix those minor crash-bugs Join the (unofficial) Realm-Works IRC Chat: #realm-works on the Rizon Network (https://wiki.rizon.net/index.php?title=Servers) -> Browser Client: https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.rizon.net Last edited by Acenoid; August 13th, 2016 at 06:23 PM. |
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Join the (unofficial) Realm-Works IRC Chat: #realm-works on the Rizon Network (https://wiki.rizon.net/index.php?title=Servers) -> Browser Client: https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.rizon.net |
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