A Question about future releases

Will in future releases there be a SQL like language in the program? As
far as I can tell, Card Vault is a database.

Will in future releases there be the ablity in the Card Probability to
use other boolean expressions other than AND?

The following example all have to do with L5R and deal with having a SQL
like Lang.
Why I want to know is so that I can see the gold cost of my
personalities. Currently I can only see the gold cost of my dynasty.
Other examples are how many personalities have the "Foo" Trait. Samurai
VS Shugenja. people with a force of over 3.

Thanks Jon



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[rob]

First of all, Card Vault *IS* a database, but it does NOT use SQL. The
database is highly optimized for the specific purpose it is used for,
unlike a generic database program. CV uses a powerful expression language
similar to SQL for filtering, and that may be exposed in a later release
(but not the next release). The language, however, is only used for
filtering (i.e. searching) the cards.

Card probability already supports ORs. For example, you can calculate the
probability of drawing CardA OR CardB by moving both cards into the first
grouping together. If you want the probability of "(CardA OR CardB) AND
CardC", you can then move CardA and CardB into the first grouping, plus
CardC into the second grouping.

The specific examples you cite have nothing to do with filtering. They are
statistics on the deck. And they can all be accomplished with V1.2 by
adding the appropriate statistics to the data files. If you provide me with
a list of the statistics you want to see added, I'll see about adding them
to the L5R files in a future update. You can also add them yourself if you
wish. Use the existing statistics as an example and refer to the Authoring
Kit documentation for syntax details.

Thanks, Rob

At 02:37 AM 8/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Will in future releases there be a SQL like language in the program? As
>far as I can tell, Card Vault is a database.
>
>Will in future releases there be the ablity in the Card Probability to
>use other boolean expressions other than AND?
>
>The following example all have to do with L5R and deal with having a SQL
>like Lang.
>Why I want to know is so that I can see the gold cost of my
>personalities. Currently I can only see the gold cost of my dynasty.
>Other examples are how many personalities have the "Foo" Trait. Samurai
>VS Shugenja. people with a force of over 3.
>
>Thanks Jon


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Rob Bowes wrote:
> First of all, Card Vault *IS* a database, but it does NOT use SQL. The
> database is highly optimized for the specific purpose it is used for,
> unlike a generic database program. CV uses a powerful expression language
> similar to SQL for filtering, and that may be exposed in a later release
> (but not the next release). The language, however, is only used for
> filtering (i.e. searching) the cards.
That would be nice. Especially if it could go between the current GUI
window and a text input one. Best example would have to be MS Access and
its query editor.
>
> Card probability already supports ORs. For example, you can calculate the
> probability of drawing CardA OR CardB by moving both cards into the first
> grouping together. If you want the probability of "(CardA OR CardB) AND
> CardC", you can then move CardA and CardB into the first grouping, plus
> CardC into the second grouping.
>

> The specific examples you cite have nothing to do with filtering.
I never asked about filtering. I want statistics involving tests about
numbers on cards and
dealing with traits. There are to many to list and each would be
specific to the type of deck. I've worked with databases and have to
love to use querys for what ever I want to know.

> statistics on the deck. And they can all be accomplished with V1.2 by
> adding the appropriate statistics to the data files. If you provide me with
> a list of the statistics you want to see added, I'll see about adding them
> to the L5R files in a future update. You can also add them yourself if you
> wish. Use the existing statistics as an example and refer to the Authoring
> Kit documentation for syntax details.
>
> Thanks, Rob
>
Syntax looks easy enough
Thanks Jon
> At 02:37 AM 8/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>Will in future releases there be a SQL like language in the program? As
>>far as I can tell, Card Vault is a database.
>>
>>Will in future releases there be the ablity in the Card Probability to
>>use other boolean expressions other than AND?
>>
>>The following example all have to do with L5R and deal with having a SQL
>>like Lang.
>>Why I want to know is so that I can see the gold cost of my
>>personalities. Currently I can only see the gold cost of my dynasty.
>>Other examples are how many personalities have the "Foo" Trait. Samurai
>>VS Shugenja. people with a force of over 3.
>>
>>Thanks Jon
>





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[rob]

At 04:17 AM 8/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Rob Bowes wrote:
> > First of all, Card Vault *IS* a database, but it does NOT use SQL. The
> > database is highly optimized for the specific purpose it is used for,
> > unlike a generic database program. CV uses a powerful expression language
> > similar to SQL for filtering, and that may be exposed in a later release
> > (but not the next release). The language, however, is only used for
> > filtering (i.e. searching) the cards.
>That would be nice. Especially if it could go between the current GUI
>window and a text input one. Best example would have to be MS Access and
>its query editor.

A query editor would require substantial effort to develop, so the first
step would likely be exposing a text-based query language. A visual query
editor ala Access would be a second step, most likely in a subsequent release.

> > The specific examples you cite have nothing to do with filtering.
>I never asked about filtering. I want statistics involving tests about
>numbers on cards and
>dealing with traits. There are to many to list and each would be
>specific to the type of deck. I've worked with databases and have to
>love to use querys for what ever I want to know.

I wasn't claiming you were referring to the filtering mechanism. I was
simply making sure it was clear that the query language I was referencing
would only apply to filtering and not to the statistics you were talking
about. The statistics are handled via a completely different mechanism, and
I didn't want there to be any confusion due to a lack of detail from me. :-)

It's also on the todo list to enable users to define their own custom
statistics from within CV. However, this is a lower priority, since
statistics can be readily defined via data files at present, which is a
reasonable solution for the time being.

> > statistics on the deck. And they can all be accomplished with V1.2 by
> > adding the appropriate statistics to the data files. If you provide me
> with
> > a list of the statistics you want to see added, I'll see about adding them
> > to the L5R files in a future update. You can also add them yourself if you
> > wish. Use the existing statistics as an example and refer to the Authoring
> > Kit documentation for syntax details.
> >
>Syntax looks easy enough

There are a fair number of examples within the data files, too. If you run
into questions, post them here and the various authors on the list will
chime in with their suggestions.

Thanks, Rob

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