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Adding user-defined qualities is on the todo list, but there is a big
potential pitfall with doing it, hence the delay thus far. The problem is that we've developed the exchange file mechanism in anticipation of the partner mechanism being utilized by trading sites. Once those start to come online, user-defined quality ratings will make it impossible to effect trades using those ratings. To support trades through online sites, a standardized set of quality ratings is necessitated. Given this, do you have any recommendations for how you'd like to see things handled from the user perspective??? I've now added to the todo list the feature for user-defined notes on cards in the inventory. -Rob At 08:44 AM 10/10/2003 +1000, you wrote: >At 06:22 AM 10/10/2003, you wrote: > > >I'd personally prefer not to add these cards to my "owned" until they > > >actually arrive, however I'd like them able to be included...and I'd also > > >*love* to be able to note whom the transit cards were coming from. > > > >You could add those as 'Reserved' quality, then, when they arrive, move > >them from Reserved to Mint (or whatever quality they actually happen to be). > >But Reserved doesn't appear in the quality summary window, meaning I >wouldn't know that they were coming when I checked inventory. > >Obviously using reserved isn't the best option, but another quality might be. > >Which brings me to another "request" - could qualities be user defined? >Rather than unknown, poor, good, fine... if I could change the text to suit >myself, or even better yet, add my own "quality" values, then that would be >great! > > >Adding notes to cards in the inventory would be more difficult to do, and > >isn't currently possible. I'll ask Rob to put it on the to do list. > >That would be great too > >Thanks for your help, as always! > >R. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (559) 658-6995 Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3ex...sNAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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Just to add to what Colen said, the two new qualities were critical
additions for even more reasons. The reserved quality is needed to allow users to build decks with those cards EXCLUDED from availability during deck construction. The electronic quality is needed so that users can use inventory validation of decks against just the electronic card inventory, exclusive of any physical cards owned. These are in addition to the points that Colen identified. User qualities may be useful, but they undermine any formal exchange of trade/want lists. I'm anxious to hear what folks have in mind for this (see my previous post on the subject). Thanks, Rob At 04:34 PM 10/9/2003 -0700, you wrote: >At 03:52 PM 10/9/2003, you wrote: > > >>>Which brings me to another "request" - could qualities be user defined? > >Rather than unknown, poor, good, fine... if I could change the text to suit > >myself, or even better yet, add my own "quality" values, then that would be > >great! > > > >I think this would be a good idea. Whenever someone wants to track > >something you haven't thought of through inventory, you guys always tell > >them to use an alternate quality. This makes sense and all, but with the > >ability to make a new quality based on whatever the new thing is they want > >to track, things would be much simpler, and there wouldn't be new > >qualities needing to be added to (like electronic quality) The new > >qualities the user would define should be game-system based though and not > >used across all game systems. > >I believe this is already on the to-do list. However, the new qualities >were needed, even if that feature had been added in 1.3. Why? Let's say >that two people want to record their electronic cards, and one of them >creates a new category of "electronic". The other creates a new category of >"computar", perhaps because they can't spell. The addition of an extra >Electronic quality makes it as easy as it ever was to record and trade >electronic cards. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (559) 658-6995 Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees & Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/JYdFFC/XP....SFAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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At 05:50 PM 11/10/2003, Rob Bowes wrote:
>To support trades through online sites, a >standardized set of quality ratings is necessitated. Given this, do you >have any recommendations for how you'd like to see things handled from the >user perspective??? For the purposes of trading I personally would use stardard ratings for my haves and wants. The personalised ratings would cover such things as signed cards (where these weren't supported by the data file author as standard). I'd also use it to track my collection (at present), because the Reserved quality doesn't show up when looking at the quality summary, meaning I can't tell at a glance where my collection & play set is at. I see the personalised ratings as handling things that only I care about, although it would be *extremely* handy if personalised ratings could be treated as a subset of another rating if desired. Eg. I have 4 mint Black Lotus, of which 2 are signed and 2 are unsigned. I guess this comes back to my previous request for the ability to view data in summary fashion and be able to break it down by definable categories as desired R. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees & Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/JYdFFC/XP....SFAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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I didn't think anyone would want to view the Reserved cards in the summary
window, so I intentionally didn't add it. We can easily add that into a V1.3a update. There are a few bugs that folks have reported that need fixing, and we can simply consider that an "oversight" bug. :-) -Rob At 06:17 PM 10/11/2003 +1000, you wrote: >At 05:50 PM 11/10/2003, Rob Bowes wrote: > >To support trades through online sites, a > >standardized set of quality ratings is necessitated. Given this, do you > >have any recommendations for how you'd like to see things handled from the > >user perspective??? > >For the purposes of trading I personally would use stardard ratings for my >haves and wants. The personalised >ratings would cover such things as signed cards (where these weren't >supported by the data file author as standard). >I'd also use it to track my collection (at present), because the Reserved >quality doesn't show up when looking at >the quality summary, meaning I can't tell at a glance where my collection & >play set is at. > >I see the personalised ratings as handling things that only I care about, >although it would be *extremely* handy >if personalised ratings could be treated as a subset of another rating if >desired. Eg. I have 4 mint Black Lotus, >of which 2 are signed and 2 are unsigned. > >I guess this comes back to my previous request for the ability to view data >in summary fashion and be able >to break it down by definable categories as desired > >R. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (559) 658-6995 Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping & No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ArdFIC/hP....SFAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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At 06:16 PM 11/10/2003, Rob Bowes wrote:
>The reserved quality is needed to allow >users to build decks with those cards EXCLUDED from availability during >deck construction. Hmmm, then I've been misusing it, because I will use cards from my collection in deck building IF NECESSARY, but my preference is not to. >User qualities may be useful, but they undermine any formal exchange of >trade/want lists. If they are personalised subsets of the major data then that shouldn't cause any grief? R. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping & No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ArdFIC/hP....SFAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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At 05:34 PM 11/10/2003, Rob Bowes wrote:
>That sounds like it might be useful. :-) I am available for hire... >FYI: The things that also get added first are the things that we think are >most useful to the widest number of users, along with those things that >users ask for the most. So if I ask for something frequently does that count? R. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3ex...sNAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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At 06:31 PM 10/11/2003 +1000, you wrote:
>At 06:16 PM 11/10/2003, Rob Bowes wrote: > >The reserved quality is needed to allow > >users to build decks with those cards EXCLUDED from availability during > >deck construction. > >Hmmm, then I've been misusing it, because I will use cards from my >collection in deck building IF NECESSARY, but my preference is not to. I don't think you're using the quality rating incorrectly. The goal is to build a deck that doesn't use the reserved cards. So validation flags any shortages with reserved cards excluded. If you really need to build a given deck using reserved cards, you can quickly check the reserved quantity to make sure you're covered. FYI. Of the various proponents of this feature, reserved cards were always characterized as "off limits" for use in deck construction. At no time did anyone mention that they will actually use reserved cards if necessary. So I thought it was an absolute instead of a preference to avoid using those cards. Hence the design as you see it today.... :-( And yes, I'm now adding to the todo list the ability to toggle whether reserved cards are/aren't included in inventory validation numbers. This would allow you to toggle it as needed to instantly check if you have the cards to build a deck with or without having to dip into the reserved cards. > >User qualities may be useful, but they undermine any formal exchange of > >trade/want lists. > >If they are personalised subsets of the major data then that shouldn't >cause any grief? Well, if they are simply subsets, then you are correct. Until this moment, custom quality ratings have never been characterized as subsets, hence my concern. However, if they are treated as subsets, then it introduces some additional wrinkles. How does CV help the user police these subsets for accuracy and consistency. For example, let's say a user creates a custom quality rating named "signed" for tracking signed cards, regardless of physical quality. So now that user has 3 signed copies of card XYZ, one of which is Good quality and the others Mint. Should CV simply ignore those 3 copies of the custom quality? Does CV need to verify that number complies with some other criteria? How confusing will it be for users to have some numbers that are totalled and tracked, while others are not? I don't know the answers to these questions, and I'm sure there will be many more as soon as the issue starts being really thought through. I'm just posing a few of the factors that come to mind that will need to be considered and addressed in trying to implement an appropriate solution. :-) -Rob --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (559) 658-6995 Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3ex...sNAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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At 06:33 PM 10/11/2003 +1000, you wrote:
>At 05:34 PM 11/10/2003, Rob Bowes wrote: > >That sounds like it might be useful. :-) > >I am available for hire... Are you willing to work for peanuts? You'll have to shell them yourself, of course. :-) > >FYI: The things that also get added first are the things that we think are > >most useful to the widest number of users, along with those things that > >users ask for the most. > >So if I ask for something frequently does that count? No. I'm pretty aware of who is asking for what features. You are welcome to lobby for something you think is valuable and encourage others to chime in if they agree. But if they don't voice their agreement, then your suggestion is more visible as lacking the extra votes, and that calls attention to it being not as valuable a feature as we might otherwise deem it. So pick your features and lobby for them if you wish.... :-) -Rob --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (559) 658-6995 Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3ex...sNAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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And then some!! :-)
-Rob At 12:27 AM 10/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I know I've been doing my share :-P (5 datafiles and 6 skins under my belt) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (559) 658-6995 Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping & No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ArdFIC/hP....SFAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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Woo! I know I'd love to update datafiles... There are a few games I
play that I'm pretty... well.. anal retentive about.. I like to keep all my stuff in order, I guess. -Luke >I know I've been doing my share :-P (5 datafiles and 6 skins under >my belt) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3ex...sNAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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