No boon companion feat/blank ranger list

[tc7]

Originally Posted by Auke Teeninga

As a quickfix you can just add 4.

~First 497
~if the user hasn't selected a class to apply this feat to,
~there's nothing more we can do, so just get out
doneif (field[usrChosen1].ischosen = 0)

hero.childfound[cAnimClass].field[CompClAdj].value += 4

thanks for this it worked great

[risner]

Originally Posted by tc7

as though your class were four levels higher to a maximum bonus equal to your character level

Notice it says class above, what class grants you the AC? Ranger, yes. So Your effective Ranger Level for AC is + 4 limited by your Character Level (which is 8):

minimum(ranger5+feat4, 8) = Effective Ranger Level 8
Effective Ranger Level 8 - 3 (Rangers calculate at -3) = 5

Look, I'm allowing for your RAW interpretation, I just don't agree with you that your interpretation is the correct RAW interpretation.

I also don't agree it is what HL should do, and besides this whole discussion belongs on a paizo.com thread.

This doesn't even get to another problem with your interpretation that has been shot down on Paizo boards, that a single class Ranger taking that feat with your RAW would be at full progression. So a 20th level Ranger with that feat using your RAW would be 20th AC but with my RAW (and the one HL shares) would be correct (according to Paizo) at 17th AC.

[tc7]

lets agree to disagree then I got the fix for my interpretation so it works

[Lawful_g]

Rules fight! Hey everybody come-on, tc7 and risner are gonna have a rules fight! Yeah Yeah, you get em! You.... damn... too late.

[bodrin]

I have to agree with Risner on this one. The Class you are using to get the Animal companion is calculated on that level only regardless of other classes that grant AC's. Otherwise the text would read character level not class level!

[risner]

Originally Posted by bodrin

The Class you are using to get the Animal companion is calculated on that level only regardless of other classes that grant AC's.

I don't think that is the key point of contention. I believe it is when to apply the -3 from the Ranger class.

Option A:
Apply the -3 first then add the +4 and limit the result by character level.
(5-3+4)<=8

Option B:
Apply the +4 first, limit by character level then apply the -3.
(5+4)<=8-3

[bodrin]

Originally Posted by risner

I don't think that is the key point of contention. I believe it is when to apply the -3 from the Ranger class.

Option A:
Apply the -3 first then add the +4 and limit the result by character level.
(5-3+4)<=8

Option B:
Apply the +4 first, limit by character level then apply the -3.
(5+4)<=8-3

Okay, let's follow a mathematical priority rule then!

In order:- B.o.D.M.a.S

Brackets over Division, Multiplication, Addition and Subtraction.

Addition first then subtraction! 5+4-3 = 6

So the Ranger class is three levels lower for the calculation which would be the brackets part,
(5-3)+4 = 6

Second result is the same as first but is mathematically correct in equation order.

However R.A.W. state the feat adds 4 to the Class level limited by total character level, in this case 8th so the correct equation should be this.

Where x equals the difference in character level to the sum of the first part of the equation.
5 + 4 = 9 (Ranger level plus feat bonus)
9 - 8 = 1 <- this is x (Ranger plus feat limited by character level)
((5+4) - x)-3) = 5 final result to calculate AC HD

[Maidhc O Casain]

Try looking at it this way:

The feat isn't meant to be a 'workaround' for the Ranger Level -3 limit on Animal Companions. It's meant to offset the 'penalty' to Animal Companion power incurred by multi-classing (much like the Magical Knack trait for spellcasters). It makes your Ranger level up to four levels higher (to the limit of your HD). So a Ranger 5/Whatever 3 multiclass counts as an 8th level Ranger for purposes of his Animal Companion. 8-3 is 5, so he could have an Animal Companion equal to that of a 5th level Druid.

That's why the description specifically says 'Class Level' rather than 'Character Level.'

[bodrin]

Originally Posted by Mowgli

That's why the description specifically says 'Class Level' rather than 'Character Level.'

Exactly, offset the penalty of multiclassing as a Ranger. Yet Still gain an Animal Companion of 5HD as an 8th level character, or 8th level Ranger if you hadn't multiclassed!

[Auke Teeninga]

Originally Posted by Mowgli

The feat isn't meant to be a 'workaround' for the Ranger Level -3 limit on Animal Companions. It's meant to offset the 'penalty' to Animal Companion power incurred by multi-classing (much like the Magical Knack trait for spellcasters).

Actually, according to the author it is meant a a workaround for both:

http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards...Feats&page=1#4