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Bidmaron
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Old April 25th, 2014, 03:10 PM
Hey, I'm all for the player snippets and reveals. That is core to RW and it should (IMO) absolutely be a priority.

I'm not so wild about private player notes. The GM should be able to see all. If the player wants something private, then he can open Word or whatever and use that. I find it astonishing that a tool that goes to such great pains to let the GM carefully control what is exposed to his players cannot see the notes the player makes in RW. PLEASE revisit this decision.
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Old April 25th, 2014, 06:00 PM
I agree that GMs should have total control over and access to player notes if the notes are getting saved to the GM's realm and their cloud storage. I know text is relatively small, but a prolific (or malicious) player could write (or copy and paste) a lot of data.

Additionally, if players can eventually reveal the contents of their notes (but GMs have no control over the notes), you could get into some sticky areas: sharing copyrighted data, posting vulgar/obscene/hateful/disruptive content, etc.

If player notes are tied to the player's account and cloud storage, and merely linked to the realm (and the GM can remove such link), then I'm cool with that.
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Old April 25th, 2014, 08:31 PM
I was thinking the same thing. I dont think there is anything the player should be able to enter that the GM shouldnt have access to see.
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Old April 26th, 2014, 04:32 AM
+1 for allowing player notes to be seen by the GM. From a player's perspective, I get it. But as mentioned above, if the player wants to keep notes private from the GM he can use Word or something else, and if he wants to "pass notes" to other players without GM knowledge that's fine too - but he needs to use text messages or e-mail, not RW.

IMO, the GM "owns" the realm, and pays for the space in the cloud, and is responsible for anything that's there. So the GM should have access to and control of whatever's there.
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Old April 26th, 2014, 05:49 AM
So with the recent comments, does this mean that if the player's user notes count towards cloud storage of the GM, then it is felt that the GM should have visibility and control (at the very least the ability to delete them) over the notes. And if the player's user notes don't count towards the storage, it is ok for the GM to not be able to see the user notes?

Or is the view that no matter whether it counts towards the GM's cloud storage the GM should be able to see the notes (without other control over them)?
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Old April 26th, 2014, 09:34 AM
I should have visibility and control over anything that goes into my database/cloud storage, including the ability to block such features if I choose. The first thing I thought when I read your earlier posts was "So...is my campaign going to host someone's porn stash?"

If it doesn't go into my database/storage, then I don't care. They could just as easily use Notepad to keep notes I can't see. Just make sure you're cleaning up loose ends if the player gets removed from the campaign, the campaign is deleted, etc.


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Old April 26th, 2014, 10:27 AM
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I should have visibility and control over anything that goes into my database/cloud storage, including the ability to block such features if I choose. The first thing I thought when I read your earlier posts was "So...is my campaign going to host someone's porn stash?"

If it doesn't go into my database/storage, then I don't care. They could just as easily use Notepad to keep notes I can't see. Just make sure you're cleaning up loose ends if the player gets removed from the campaign, the campaign is deleted, etc.
+1 to this, exactly.
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Old April 26th, 2014, 10:48 AM
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I should have visibility and control over anything that goes into my database/cloud storage, including the ability to block such features if I choose. The first thing I thought when I read your earlier posts was "So...is my campaign going to host someone's porn stash?"

If it doesn't go into my database/storage, then I don't care. They could just as easily use Notepad to keep notes I can't see. Just make sure you're cleaning up loose ends if the player gets removed from the campaign, the campaign is deleted, etc.
+1 to that as well
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Old April 26th, 2014, 11:19 AM
+1, but also, to some degree i care even if its not directly about my cloud storage. Its about the control and maintaing of a campaign/setting. coming froma both pen and paper, and play by post background, in the play by post, if you post anything in a playby post, even a secret message to yourself, the GM has full control over that. They are the superadmin of their campaign forums. Ina pen and paper, if someone is writing notes in a notebook, I ask someone ("are those character notes") and if they answer "yes", I have the right to read them. By the way, I'd be fine if player notes are put in the campaign/GM cloud storage. personally id like if they were.

Players leave campaigns, but their characters stay on as NPC's of the campaign. Basically the character is owned by the campaign, but the player obviously isnt. So if their notes are in character private journals, they are in essence information that the GM needs to have.
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Old April 27th, 2014, 02:23 PM
I care even if it's not on my cloud amount. If it's on my hard drive, then I should have visibility of it. If you are instead visualizing something where the player notes are stored on their own cloud space and never touches my system, then I am less concerned, but, as someone else observed, if he can later reveal it and it's linked to me somehow, then absolutely not! (or at least let us disable the feature so they can't make invisible notes).

So, the only way i support private player notes is if they are not tied to my realm in any fashion, which seems to me to bypass why you'd want them in the first place. What someone said about a porn stash is a problem. i had a friend who let someone use his computer, and the guy put some kiddy porn on there in a passworded folder. When that friend got caught, they checked out my friend's computer too. You can imagine his embarrassment when they found the files (no issue ultimately, but you never know....)
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