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One of my players (the same one) has raised a question about elves and perception in 5e.
What he says is this: A Wisdom of 15 should confer a bonus of +2, and if that were all that there was to it, it would give a proficient passive Perception of 12. Yet the example specifically says 14, and the only way to get 14 is to add in the Proficiency modifier, which at 1st level is +2. So it looks as if the intent is to add the Proficiency modifier where a character is proficient, and the SRD programme sort of forgot about Elves. I admit to being a bit confused about passive perception, so is he right? -- Lexin GM from Gwynedd, Wales - seriously old school - playing RPGs since 1980! Tools: Realm Works, HeroLab, Campaign Cartographer 3+ |
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From the SRD (p78-79) "Here’s how to determine a character’s total for a passive check: 10 + all modifiers that normally apply to the check ... For example, if a 1st-level character has a Wisdom of 15 and proficiency in Perception, he or she has a passive Wisdom (Perception) score of 14."
(Bold text my emphasis.) Since Elves automatically have proficiency in Perception, the total of 14 is correct for an Elf. I've just made a 1st level test elf in HL and I get +4 for Perception, so HL is working correctly. |
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I think so, too, but my player is querying the attached...it's a 5th level elf with a proficiency in perception.
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The Elf's "Proficiency" bonus is showing as 1d6, so the Passive perception is only adding the bonus of +3 for his wisdom. It looks like that character has "Proficiency Dice" (DMG Optional rule) selected in the config menu (Ability Options) and the 'passive' doesn't add dice rolls. If the character used the standard proficiency progression he'd get +3 for his level and show a Passive Perception of 16.
I don't have the DMG so I can't look up what that section actually says for how that optional rule is meant to work. |
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The DMG doesn't have additional rules for calculating the passive skill checks when you are using that variant dice rule.
This might be a bug or something missed by the community writers, since that rule doesn't show up in the SRD - it should be calculated by the program, but I don't think it knows how to add the Perception skill in as an integer, since part of the calculation for Perception now includes a string (1d6). The program is likely trying to add things together and breaks when it hits the d6. Since Passives do not have a dice roll associated with them, it should show as 10+Wisdom Bonus + static Proficiency Bonus (which is +3 for a 5th level). From the SRD: Quote:
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I am a bit concerned that having someone in the party with a passive perception of 16 gives the party too much of an advantage, but we'll have to live with it. -- Lexin GM from Gwynedd, Wales - seriously old school - playing RPGs since 1980! Tools: Realm Works, HeroLab, Campaign Cartographer 3+ |
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Good thought, I will. They will be travelling through an area of dense forest, so that cuts their vision down to what can be seen between the trees.
-- Lexin GM from Gwynedd, Wales - seriously old school - playing RPGs since 1980! Tools: Realm Works, HeroLab, Campaign Cartographer 3+ |
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