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Old School & Other Games

jim_hm said:
The community and player base for the many rulesets based on pre-3rd edition D&D keeps growing and still no support for any of them?
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Keep in mind that to dedicate resources to them LW has to decide that they're worth negotiatiing with the owners of those rulesets (which are, after all, splitting the OSR base themselves, so any individual one is only going to get a subset of that group) and doing whatever is needed to get a working version--and one of the features of even OS D&D style games is that a lot of stuff is one-off specific items which are labor intensive to put in since they're all special cases.

So I can't imagine there's a great motivation for LW to divert much attention to it.
 
EightBitz said:
I was cursing your name the other day. I was rolling up a 2e character for the first time in I don't know how many years, and I had to do it by HAND with a PENCIL and a RULE BOOK.

Situations like that are TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE! So get move on!

:-p
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I move at my own pace. I have health issues as well. So I can't always be coding for you guys. It will be done when its done. There are a number of issues I need to get resolved with it. Some are simple fixes, others are going to take me some time. I just got the Vampire 20th anniversary edition world of darkness file nearly done (and by done I mean it supports Werewolf and Mage as well).
 
Paragon said:
Keep in mind that to dedicate resources to them LW has to decide that they're worth negotiatiing with the owners of those rulesets (which are, after all, splitting the OSR base themselves, so any individual one is only going to get a subset of that group) and doing whatever is needed to get a working version--and one of the features of even OS D&D style games is that a lot of stuff is one-off specific items which are labor intensive to put in since they're all special cases.

So I can't imagine there's a great motivation for LW to divert much attention to it.
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I'm sure someone at Lone Wolf is a Necromancer and raise Gary and Dave from the grave for the purpose of "negotiation" on the old school game systems, right? They are not fully "dead" systems either as Hasbro is still selling books from the OD&D and AD&D lines in pdf format.
 
RavenX said:
I move at my own pace. I have health issues as well. So I can't always be coding for you guys. It will be done when its done. There are a number of issues I need to get resolved with it. Some are simple fixes, others are going to take me some time. I just got the Vampire 20th anniversary edition world of darkness file nearly done (and by done I mean it supports Werewolf and Mage as well).
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I was hoping that the hyperbole and the :-p at the end would have been enough to let you know that my comment was nothing more than light-hearted teasing. To state that more explicitly now, my comment was not serious.

Sorry to hear about your health issues, and please accept my good will and good wishes on that point.
 
EightBitz said:
I was hoping that the hyperbole and the :-p at the end would have been enough to let you know that my comment was nothing more than light-hearted teasing. To state that more explicitly now, my comment was not serious.

Sorry to hear about your health issues, and please accept my good will and good wishes on that point.
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I have a lot on my plate right now and I code based on what my current needs are. Also, the mechanics for Vampire, Mage, and Werewolf are so structurally similar to Exalted that it wasn't hard to reuse bits of code I had already finished for that system. I coded one, but have been hammering out the Old World of Darkness quickly due to what I already have completed. Everything else is on the back burner for a bit until I get around to it.
 
RavenX said:
I'm sure someone at Lone Wolf is a Necromancer and raise Gary and Dave from the grave for the purpose of "negotiation" on the old school game systems, right? They are not fully "dead" systems either as Hasbro is still selling books from the OD&D and AD&D lines in pdf format.
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Sorry, the Necromancer position was cut when we discovered 90% of the applicants were just posers and/or Marilyn Manson.
 
Marilyn Manson is a great bard though. Plus you missed golden opportunities to have his dad show up to work dressed like him just to embarrass him.
 
As of last night, I did get the file I'm working on updated to V20 though. So that's one thing knocked off my list. Now I just have to update the other two parts and build whatever is needed, if anything, for Dark Ages vamp. One month and I have hammered this bad boy out.
 
And you guys should be careful with the term old school... I do own Vampire the Masquerade 1st edition and it was published in 1991, its pretty old school at this point, lol.

The D&D file has a lot of work to be done on it still. I am nowhere near done hammering on it nor do I think it will be quick to finish, but I'll work on it as I get time.
 
RavenX said:
And you guys should be careful with the term old school... I do own Vampire the Masquerade 1st edition and it was published in 1991, its pretty old school at this point, lol.
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An argument that I've seen to get you just nowhere with OSR proponents.
 
Paragon said:
An argument that I've seen to get you just nowhere with OSR proponents.
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You can be opposed all you want, but I don't care. I will eventually finish the data for 2e but it will be done on my time table. You can feel free to code it yourselves from scratch if you want though. I work on what I feel like working on, and I am not paid to do this, so I will stick to what interests me at any given time. I do this for fun in my free time, because I enjoy tinkering with the source code. I hit some walls with it and stopped working on the 2e files a long time ago. I will get back to it when I am ready to do so.
 
Ah, Raven, that was a comment about the "Vampire is Old School by now" line, not anything else. Man, I have absolutely no concern or really interest in how or when you finish a system that has no use to me.

Don't take this wrong, but I think you've gotten a little touchy about this.
 
I understand many people want me to finish data files. I am not in the best of health and don't like being rushed on things. Yes I am a little touchy and irritable. I cannot dedicate the long hours I used to for coding right now. Four hours a day is a blessing if I can manage that. I get a lot done in those short hours, but I don't like feeling pressured to do these things when my health isn't 100%. Two years ago I nearly died and a lot of things changed. I had to stop coding altogether for awhile.

I have been running Vampire the Masquerade since it first appeared and I still have my old first edition book for it. I do what I do for fun, if the source code gets finished, so be it. If not, oh well. I don't think you guys and gals realize how many hours I've put into these structure files over the last seven years of my life, or how much work I still have yet to finish. The 2e data is not anywhere near done. While many of the core mechanics and components are done, I still have to overhaul and simplify some things. It won't be finished anytime soon, I am not sorry to say.
 
Raven, I'm saying my statement had nothing to do with anything you are doing.

It was specifically a side comment on OSR people wanting to stake out "Old School" for older versions of D&D and nothing more. It was in response to your side comment about Vampire as a springboard, nothing more.

You seem to be reading things into my statement that are simply not there. It was not about you. At all.
 
Not really. I know people want their "Dead System" source code to play with, but it is a lot of work to do. And its nowhere near finished. I won't release unfinished code, ever. I don't have time to finish it and even if I did, I might not make it available to the community. Hasbro still sells old school pdfs on drivethrurpg, and this is not a licensed data file. I don't know if I can release it anyway. Hounding me about it isn't going to get it finished any faster.

And that's not a message specifically directed at paragon but to everyone. I see all the threads inquiring about this datafile. I get your messages in my inbox too. I will get it done when I get it done. Pressuring me will not get me to start working on it any sooner than I have planned to do so.
 
DeltaMasterMind said:
Got me some chuckles out of this!
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Glad you enjoyed. I have been a fan of Marilyn Manson's music for a long time. His version of Tainted Love won me over. I love watching his shenanigans, but his reaction to his dad dressing like him is one of the best moments ever. He gets so embarrassed over it.
 
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