Ninjas get the new hornbow? Why? - Page 2

Azhrei · February 22nd, 2018, 07:28 AM

Doesn't much matter to me as my current home game is playing by PFS rules and hornbow isn't legal in PFS, but...

The general thought amongst the posters near the (current) end of the thread seems to be that the last sentence should be prefaced with, "For those proficient with it," (although that was mentioned on page 2 of the thread, no one seemed to catch on until an alternate wording was specified on page 3).

Anyway, HL is wrong on this one; hopefully, you've filed a bug report? That way the HL folks can take it up directly with the Paizo devs for clarification.

LazarX · February 27th, 2018, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by outshyn

FAQ opened up on Paizo's forums for this. Mark Moreland is response #50 at the bottom. On page 2 it gets pretty savage as Mark suggests that the text doesn't even mean Rapid Shot or other bow-like feats apply; it only applies to items you carry that have a effect on the bow. I hope the official FAQ isn't that harsh, but at least now I am confident that this was never, ever intended to confer free usage to bards, ninjas, and so on (so you MUST take EWP).

Looks like this is headed for a hard nerfing.

A badly needed clarification is not a nerf.

Azhrei · February 28th, 2018, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LazarX

A badly needed clarification is not a nerf.

Well, to me a "nerf" is when common practice is significantly altered such that a given activity that was considered overpowered is weakened to the point of being useless (or almost useless).

If HL is allowing anyone with bow proficiency to use a hornbow (and many people consider HL to be canonical, including my GM), then I think it qualifies as a nerf.

Farling · February 28th, 2018, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Azhrei

Well, to me a "nerf" is when common practice is significantly altered such that a given activity that was considered overpowered is weakened to the point of being useless (or almost useless).

If HL is allowing anyone with bow proficiency to use a hornbow (and many people consider HL to be canonical, including my GM), then I think it qualifies as a nerf.

Needing one extra feat doesn't really make it a nerf by your definition :-)

Aaron · February 28th, 2018, 09:59 AM

"Regarding this hornbow question, Pinky, are you thinking what I am thinking?"

"Narf!"

Aaron · February 28th, 2018, 10:05 AM

"I think so Brain, but if a fighter shoots an arrow at an invisible ninja with Snatch Arrows, would the ninja get Sneak Attack when he throws the arrow back?"

ShadowChemosh · February 28th, 2018, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron

"I think so Brain, but if a fighter shoots an arrow at an invisible ninja with Snatch Arrows, would the ninja get Sneak Attack when he throws the arrow back?"

Arrows are not "thrown" weapons and the feat specifically says "thrown" weapons can be thrown back. So not only no sneak attack but no attack at all.

ErinRigh · February 28th, 2018, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ShadowChemosh

Arrows are not "thrown" weapons and the feat specifically says "thrown" weapons can be thrown back. So not only no sneak attack but no attack at all.

You telling me you cant throw an arrow? I call BS, I could damage something with a thrown hunting arrow...

Aaron · February 28th, 2018, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ShadowChemosh

Arrows are not "thrown" weapons and the feat specifically says "thrown" weapons can be thrown back. So not only no sneak attack but no attack at all.

DNDtR * Hangs head in shame *

ShadowChemosh · February 28th, 2018, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ErinRigh

You telling me you cant throw an arrow? I call BS, I could damage something with a thrown hunting arrow...

RAW vs RAI dude! Arrows are not listed as a thrown weapon in Pathfinder!

Aaron Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 6,793 February 28th, 2018, 09:59 AM	"Regarding this hornbow question, Pinky, are you thinking what I am thinking?" "Narf!"
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