Export of Copyright Material

[EightBitz]

Originally Posted by BigSkyRPG

These are some valid issues you raise. To be honest, as much as I love Realm Works, it's still not a complete solution for me (yet). Consequently, my work flow (prep, world building, etc.) looks like this:

Scrivener = World building, writing, backstories, all writing pre-realm works. RW doesn't have solid editing and error correction or printing, etc. Therefore, my base copy of my RW realm exists here. I consider this my development environment. I develop and print all campaign guides, lore sheets, cheat sheets from here.

Realm Works = Once I'm through with development and my content is ready for prime-time, I "deploy" from my scrivener project to Realm Works. I use realm works as my live game tool. I don't want to look in books or any other source, everything to run my games exists here.

VTT. I have a custom built game table with a recessed 46inch flatscreen in the center and I run all of my maps and content on the tv screen in the game table. I use various 3rd party apps to project my maps as RW is still maturing in this area.

Obsidian Portal. Campaign Notes, Session Notes, Revealed Lore, World Atlas. This is the "group" for my campaigns. All of the players at my table go here. This is our Campaign Bible, Lexicon, etc. We tried the player view and client versions of RW. Players didn't like that and wanted a more web-centric way of accessing our campaign.

My point is, rather than work hard to find a way to make RW do everything I want, I love it and use it for what it does right now and then look for other tools that handle the other components of my development work flow and live games.

Sure. I love Scrivener. I've got a lot of stuff there. Stories I've written. Campaign ideas. I've done some project tracking with it, and a few other things. It's great. I'm not saying there's any one, right way to do things. I'm saying it's great to have options.

What happens with me is that I'll put some things in Evernote or some things in Scrivener or some things in One Note, or I'll write some things in a notebook (paper). Then I start losing track of where I put what. The fewer places I put things, the easier it becomes to keep track of them.

I'm not saying everyone has to do things my way. I'm just saying here's an option. If you want it, you're welcome to it. If it's not your thing, no worries. :-)

[MaxSupernova]

I'm glad to get my data out in any format.

Call me a print maniac if you want but it still makes me shake my head that it takes a user-created script to provide such basic functionality.

Any program you can put your data in to should let you get it out, preferably in a format that doesn't require a programmer to make use of.

[daplunk]

I view think from the different side of the table.

To truly make this application successful license agreements are required. Some of those license holders will be very nervous about printing.

If I was LW I would not implement printing until I completely understood the impact of the decision to add it. If it came down to a WOTC license or printing... I would pick the WOTC license.

[EightBitz]

Originally Posted by daplunk

I view think from the different side of the table.

To truly make this application successful license agreements are required. Some of those license holders will be very nervous about printing.

If I was LW I would not implement printing until I completely understood the impact of the decision to add it. If it came down to a WOTC license or printing... I would pick the WOTC license.

Sure, but Rob has said they have a way to address this. For licensed content, they can lock the realm to prevent export. Again, I have some issues with the copyright holders themselves, but from Rob's point of view, I understand this, and I fully support his decision to keep keep his business in good standing.

And I appreciate that he as been straightforward about this from the beginning.

[kbs666]

Isn't Hasbro still refusing to put the 5e core books out as PDF's? If they're still stuck in the paradigm of everyone must buy the hardcover books as their profit vehicle they would view things like RW as a way to lose money.

[Strategon]

Originally Posted by kbs666

Isn't Hasbro still refusing to put the 5e core books out as PDF's? If they're still stuck in the paradigm of everyone must buy the hardcover books as their profit vehicle they would view things like RW as a way to lose money.

They have licensed it now to Fantasy Grounds and Roll 20; however, as far as I know pdfs are still not even on the table. This was brought up several times during Adventurers League Meetings when I was still a coordinator.

[rob]

Originally Posted by Bidmaron

Somewhere I thought I remember Rob explaining how to deal with copyrighted content market material and sharing that material between your realms. I cannot locate that post.

What I recall is that you cannot export copyrighted material, but you can import material you own into any realm you want. I cannot remember how he recommended dealing with revising that material.

So, I guess my question is, what exactly can you export if a topic is copyrighted material from content market? What if you revise a content market topic? Can you export that to import into one of your other realms?

I think you're referring to Post #14 in this thread: http://forums.wolflair.com/showthread.php?t=57424

If I'm wrong, let me know and I'll try to locate the correct post for you.

[Bidmaron]

Yes, Rob, that was it. Thanks.

So, to summarize the answer lying within that post:

Until the real cloud-driven import/export becomes reality, you will not be able to export tailored protected material to other realms, but you can copy a tailored realm and use that potentially many times in other realms.

[rob]

Originally Posted by Bidmaron

Yes, Rob, that was it. Thanks.

So, to summarize the answer lying within that post:

Until the real cloud-driven import/export becomes reality, you will not be able to export tailored protected material to other realms, but you can copy a tailored realm and use that potentially many times in other realms.

Correct. The moment we let users export protected material, it becomes a massive security hole. So we can't do that. But we CAN let users re-use stuff by copying it in a secure manner. It's definitely not perfect, but it's better than nothing. And this is all a stepping stone on the way to the proper, long-term solution that allows everything to be customized and re-used in a secure manner for publishers.

[Bidmaron]

Very understandable, Rob, and, again, my hat's off to you folks again for such miraculous work on even the import/export that we have now. Please don't take my request for a "modified since" export tag as a gripe, because it is certainly not. I wish you folks all the success as you launch your content market and improve your revenue stream.

Speaking of which, I assume somewhere around that time you will present your cloud storage subscription system?