M&M 3rd ed. Vehicle (bug)

d20Maverick · January 23rd, 2011, 04:31 PM

I may have found another bug in HL for M&M 3e. I created a Gargantuan vehicle, and it showed up with a Defense of -6, instead of the -4 that the M&M3e Hero's Handbook says should be assigned to it. I also went back through the sizes, and Hero lab assigns a -2 to Large instead of -1 as it should be.

Colen · March 9th, 2011, 08:27 AM

My copy of DC Adventures says Defense values are 0 for Medium, -2 for Large, up to -10 for Awesome-sized vehicles. Was this changed in the M&M3 rulebook? It isn't in the errata...

d20Maverick · March 9th, 2011, 08:32 AM

Yes, it apparently was. According to the table on M&M3e p. 170, Medium vehicles kept the 0 Defense score, but Large vehicles now have a -1 Defense score, with Huge getting -2, Gargantuan getting -4, Colossal gets -8, and Awesome gets -12.

charlieluce · March 9th, 2011, 09:23 AM

Is that the PDF? My print copy of the M&M3 book has the same -2 per level over Medium that the DCA book has.

d20Maverick · March 9th, 2011, 09:27 AM

Yep, that's the PDF. I haven't checked my print copy yet, because it's at home. It's odd that they would change it for the PDF and not for the print copy.

Deadmannumberone · March 9th, 2011, 11:29 AM

The print copy cannot be changed once printed, and was likely printed a couple months ago, while the PDF version can be changed any time.

d20Maverick · March 9th, 2011, 11:37 AM

Which then begs the question - When a discrepancy occurs, which one is correct?

Colen · March 9th, 2011, 12:51 PM

This is truly an enigma wrapped in a mystery. I've emailed GR for clarification about this...

Colen · March 9th, 2011, 01:36 PM

OK, I have it on good authority that it's still -2/-4/-6, so I'm not sure why your copy would say differently. Are you sure you have the latest version of the PDF? I know sometimes updated versions become available that you can download...

Shadowchaser · 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Colen

OK, I have it on good authority that it's still -2/-4/-6, so I'm not sure why your copy would say differently. Are you sure you have the latest version of the PDF? I know sometimes updated versions become available that you can download...

Jon tells me that the way printing works, is that sometimes they'll catch things after the PDF is sent in and correct them on a physical "Proof" copy, then send that back to the printer for the final print run. Maybe this is one of those things they caught after the PDF went out? My print copy has the correct size modifiers listed... but my PDF shows the -1, -2, -4, -8, -12 progression mentioned earlier.

d20Maverick Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 83 January 23rd, 2011, 04:31 PM	I may have found another bug in HL for M&M 3e. I created a Gargantuan vehicle, and it showed up with a Defense of -6, instead of the -4 that the M&M3e Hero's Handbook says should be assigned to it. I also went back through the sizes, and Hero lab assigns a -2 to Large instead of -1 as it should be.
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Colen Senior Member Lone Wolf Staff Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,690 March 9th, 2011, 08:27 AM	My copy of DC Adventures says Defense values are 0 for Medium, -2 for Large, up to -10 for Awesome-sized vehicles. Was this changed in the M&M3 rulebook? It isn't in the errata...
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charlieluce Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,321 March 9th, 2011, 09:23 AM	Is that the PDF? My print copy of the M&M3 book has the same -2 per level over Medium that the DCA book has. Currently Running: Pathfinder Second Edition Currently Playing: Pathfinder First Edition, Star Trek Adventures Former HL Games: D&D 4e & 5e, Mutants & Masterminds 2E & 3E, Savage Worlds
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Deadmannumberone Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 32 March 9th, 2011, 11:29 AM	The print copy cannot be changed once printed, and was likely printed a couple months ago, while the PDF version can be changed any time.
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