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Frankly I used to love this product during version 2 but now this software is junk. I wait and I wait for the warhammer fantasy files to be added for new armies coming out and when it does months later it is so bug ridden as to be useless to me. Do you people who make army builder even care for the quality of your product? Get your act together and get my god damn files out in a timely manner and bug free. It cant be that hard to write new files for this game, I thought you made this version to be easier to support than the last?
THIS PROGRAM IS BECOMING A JOKE!!!!!!!! If it doesnt do what I need it to do it is USELESS. |
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ummm, few problems with your post:
1) If you are complaining about the WFB files then it should be in the WFB forum 2) LW do not make the datafiles, they are made by volunteers who give their time freely for no benefit 3) Have you reported these bugs to the WFB maintainer, if no-one mentions them then they can't be fixed 4) You are ranting at the wrong people, and to be honest even if you ranted at the WFB maintainer you would probably get a very simple answer back in the same vein as this one. If you are so concerned about the file then get the editor and make the ammendments yourself, I am sure the WFB maintainer would appreciate you fixing all these bugs you haven't mentioned. |
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Ok now to respond to your post
1) Go take a look, we have been complaining for MONTHSn nothing gets done in a timely fashion. The last 3 armies that have come out for the builder are either to buggy or took half a year to complete and still have bugs. 2) I know they dont make the files but I expect to get my money's worth. I paid money for a service, I dont volunteer crap to Lone Wolf. And frankly if I knew it was volunteer whoever gets to it first makes the files I would not have bought this version and stuck with the last that isnt supported either, gasp just like this one barely is. 3) See answer 1 4)See answer 1 Okay now that thats done, anyone else have anything useful to say? Like someone from Lone Wolf Development who can actually get something done? From the amount of posts it looks like one of the main users of your program is warhammer players. Do you people even have any kind of QA over the authors??? Oh and to your last paragraph, the list of bugs would be to long and well, like you said, this isnt the place to talk about bugs. Thats in the dedicated forum for the game. <boggle> |
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Harkan provided a great suggestion though. The AB Creator tool is freely available and you are more than welcome to use that tool to create the datafiles you are needing. The only "hobby" GW is interested in is lining their pockets with your money. |
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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Buzzbomb,
First of all, your bio info on the support site says that you just joined today. I'm not sure who the "we" might be that you're alluding to, but I'm having difficulty finding any evidence that you've done anything other than post an uninformative general complaint about one of our data files to the wrong forum, and rather rudely respond to a product announcement that was originally posted seven months ago. A rather inauspicious start to your career on the support forums, don't you think? I also see that you've been an Army Builder user for about 6-7 months. Why you would wait 7 months to bring an issue to our attention is frankly beyond me. We always encourage our users to bring any relevant issues to our attention as soon as possible so that we can address them, but we need specific information so that we can do so. The fact that our data file authors are volunteers has not changed throughout the various versions of Army Builder, and is very clearly stated in the documentation that accompanies the product (as jlong5 noted). Authors are donating their time and energy to support the data files for their respective games, and as such, most users understand that updates happen as frequently as other demands on the author's time will allow. We're happy to work with authors when circumstances demand it, but on the whole we encourage our authors and users to use the forums and email as the primary means to identify bugs or other issues that require their attention. It's been our experience that authors are generally receptive to constructive feedback, and work hard to ensure that their files are of the best quality and accuracy possible. I see that the WFB data files were last updated on 2/23/07, or less than two months ago. It's not uncommon for weeks or even months to go by in between updates, as it does take considerable time for authors to address existing issues while integrating new material into the files. Since you allude to getting what you paid for, let me assure you that it's precisely our practice of allowing volunteer users to support data files that keeps the cost of Army Builder as low as it is. You'd be hard-pressed to identify a comparable product that delivers as much information as Army Builder at anywhere near the low cost, and we'd be equally hard-pressed to deliver Army Builder for anywhere near the price if we were to bring on a full-time staff of authors. Again, most of our users appreciate this fact, and it's actually one of the reasons why so many of users do volunteer to be data file authors - they recommend the tremendous value that Army Builder delivers for a minimal cost, and so they contribute to that value as authors. If you have specific concerns about the WFB data files, then you are encouraged to contact the author directly via the correct forum, as per the instructions he has provided in the documentation for his files, and as per harkan's post. As he notes, he can't fix what he's not aware of, so a more specific list of issues should garner more attention than the general griping that you've done here. While we can't be in every forum all the time, we do read the forums periodically, so a detailed message in the proper forum will be seen by LWD staff and addressed appropriately. Brian At 11:41 AM 4/5/2007, Buzzbomb wrote: >Ok now to respond to your post > >1) Go take a look, we have been complaining for MONTHSn nothing gets >done in a timely fashion. The last 3 armies that have come out for >the builder are either to buggy or took half a year to complete and >still have bugs. > >2) I know they dont make the files but I expect to get my money's >worth. I paid money for a service, I dont volunteer crap to Lone >Wolf. And frankly if I knew it was volunteer whoever gets to it >first makes the files I would not have bought this version and stuck >with the last that isnt supported either, gasp just like this one barely is. > >3) See answer 1 >4)See answer 1 > >Okay now that thats done, anyone else have anything useful to say? >Like someone from Lone Wolf Development who can actually get >something done? From the amount of posts it looks like one of the >main users of your program is warhammer players. Do you people even >have any kind of QA over the authors??? > > > __________________________ Brian Mitchell Lone Wolf Development Phone: 262-247-6388 Fax: 262-643-4172 email: brian@wolflair.com |
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although buzzbomb is rather out of order here.
it has made me think slightly on this point. if lone wolf or whoever it is that gets the license fee arnt responsible for updating the program why do u have to pay a fee annually. would make sense if it was just a 1 off purchase. U need to have it regularily serviced to keep it running which u pay extra for.as wolf lair or whoever doesnt provide this service why do we keep paying a license fee every year. thats a bit off the subject but hopefully u get my point. maybe someone could explain where the money for the 2nd/3rd year goes to ? as we dont get anything further each year |
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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Apollo,
This is a common misconception about the way our licensing system works. In fact, you get a great deal for the minimal annual license extension fee. You continue to receive free updates to the Army Builder program (bug fixes, revisions, added features, and other modifications and improvements), which is separate from the data files. You also are able to continue to use the automatic updates feature within AB, which allows you to pull down updated data files quickly and easily. With most software (like antivirus packages, for example) you'd pay the full price of the software each and every year you wanted to continue to use it. Our licensing system only requires you to pay the full purchase price once, and then a nominal extension fee each year thereafter. So you're not paying extra, you're actually enjoying a cost savings compared to nearly every other software licensing and subscription model out there. I hope this helps clarify how and why things are set up under the current system. Thanks, Brian Mitchell Lone Wolf Development At 06:49 PM 4/15/2007, you wrote: >although buzzbomb is rather out of order here. > >it has made me think slightly on this point. > >if lone wolf or whoever it is that gets the license fee arnt >responsible for updating the program why do u have to pay a fee >annually. would make sense if it was just a 1 off purchase. > >U need to have it regularily serviced to keep it running which u pay >extra for.as wolf lair or whoever doesnt provide this service why do >we keep paying a license fee every year. > >thats a bit off the subject but hopefully u get my point. > >maybe someone could explain where the money for the 2nd/3rd year >goes to ? as we dont get anything further each year > > > |
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Join Date: May 2007
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Brian...when was the last update to army builder released?
I do not think there has been an update between May 06 to May 07 (my year). I have been really hoping there would be more printing options. For example like being able to print out cards in stead of the sheets and a more flexible way of using color.. |
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