Devil-Bound Creature Stat/SpellLike Changes

radar · May 2nd, 2020, 02:30 PM

Hi, if this is not the proper place to post this, please say and I will be happy to relocate.

I am playing a PF game where my character is entering into a Devil-Bound pack with a Pit-Fiend. I found "Devil-Bound Creature" in classes and added it, then selected "Pit Fiend" in the new Devil-Bound tab.

This change will grant a number of changes but the ones I'm questioning specifically are ability scores and Spell-Like abilities. Per d20PFSRD I should get +2 to three stats of my choosing and the spell-like abilities of 3/day quicken fireball, 3/day invis and 1/day blasphemy.

What is being added by HL is +6 STR and +4 to all other stats. The spell-like abilities added are Create Undead, Fireball, Greater Dispel Magic, Greater Teleport, Magic Circle against Good, Persistent Image and Unholy Aura. Blasphemy is also added but 3/day.

I've searched around but not found anyone mentioning this issue. If I am misunderstanding the process, please let me know so I can update my character correctly. Thank you in advance.

Daniel V · May 6th, 2020, 02:12 PM

Sounds like you're using the Devil-Bound Creature template from Green Ronin's Advanced Bestiary instead of the Devilbound template from Bestiary 4. Which would never be confusing at all, I know lol.

radar · May 10th, 2020, 05:13 PM

I would almost think that were true, but the Copyright statements at the bottom of the page specifically says "Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Bestiary 4 © 2013, Paizo Publishing, LLC;"... My teammates have consulted their printed books and confirmed HL is not working as expected.

As it turned out my teams plan was to also go for the half-fiend template and when I performed my offering to the pit fiend, I obtained both the devil-bound and half-fiend templates together. Most of what the Beastiary says I should have ends up being present once I add BOTH templates (some of the missing devil-bound shows up with the half-field). A lot of other stuff is added as well, (like Greater Teleport) so I put in adjustments to hide the extra abilities. I'll just have to make a mental note on the stuff HL didn't add, or isn't complete (e.g. I get Fireball, when I should have Quickened Fireball.)

Farling · 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by radar

I would almost think that were true, but the Copyright statements at the bottom of the page specifically says "Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Bestiary 4 © 2013, Paizo Publishing, LLC;"... My teammates have consulted their printed books and confirmed HL is not working as expected.

Daniel V was referring to the selection in HL, not the web page on d20pfsrd.

I picked the "devilbound" template from HL (note spelling, no hyphen). In the tooltip within HL the last line clearly says "Appears in: Bestiary 4".

On the "Devilbound" tab I selected "Pit Fiend".

On the Background tab, I see three additional entries in the "Racial, Template & Faction Abilities" section, each providing "+2 to One Ability Score". Without having selected anything for these entries, my abilities are unchanged.

It looks like I gained the following spell-like abilities from this template too: blasphemy, invisibility, quickened fireball, summon (level 6)

Daniel V · May 12th, 2020, 02:46 AM

Farling's got it in one, but here's links to both entries in pfsrd.

What you're looking for in HL:
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/mo...ound-creature/

What you're picking in HL:
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/mo...ture-template/

Lord Magus · 06:17 PM

The non-hyphenated version is from Bestiary 4 and requires you to have that purchased that package. The hyphenated version is from Green Ronin's Advanced Bestiary (1st version), which is a 3.5 third party book that was ported to Pathfinder and is a part of the (free) Community content packages.

radar · 06:09 PM

Thank you! With what you detailed I found the problem. I owned Bestiary 4, but had forgotten to enable it on this character. So I had two Devil Bound options ("Devil Bound" and "Devil-Bound" both from GR). Once enabled I saw the DevilBound from B4. Looks to have added everything as I originally expected. Thank you again for walking me through!

Daniel V Senior Member Lone Wolf Staff Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 408 May 6th, 2020, 02:12 PM	Sounds like you're using the Devil-Bound Creature template from Green Ronin's Advanced Bestiary instead of the Devilbound template from Bestiary 4. Which would never be confusing at all, I know lol.
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Lord Magus Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Quebec, QC, Canada Posts: 464 May 12th, 2020, 04:41 AM	The non-hyphenated version is from Bestiary 4 and requires you to have that purchased that package. The hyphenated version is from Green Ronin's Advanced Bestiary (1st version), which is a 3.5 third party book that was ported to Pathfinder and is a part of the (free) Community content packages. Last edited by Lord Magus; May 13th, 2020 at 06:17 PM.
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radar Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 3 May 13th, 2020, 05:59 PM	Thank you! With what you detailed I found the problem. I owned Bestiary 4, but had forgotten to enable it on this character. So I had two Devil Bound options ("Devil Bound" and "Devil-Bound" both from GR). Once enabled I saw the DevilBound from B4. Looks to have added everything as I originally expected. Thank you again for walking me through! Last edited by radar; May 13th, 2020 at 06:09 PM.
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