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For all you Tryanid players out there.
Just a question.. I won't give you my opinion in case if affects your response. please respond. this might have an affect on the army builder files for Tryanids.... When you create a mutable warriors unit from the back of the codex and give the unit one heavy weapon (venom cannon or barbed strangler) what class is it a: Heavy Support b: Elite c: HQ if you think it can be more than one say something like "b or c" thanks |
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At 07:50 PM 6/7/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>When you create a mutable warriors unit from the back of the codex and >give the unit one heavy weapon (venom cannon or barbed strangler) what >class is it > >a: Heavy Support >b: Elite >c: HQ As long as you have one 'heavy' weapon, the brood could be either elite or HQ - as soon as you give it two, it becomes a choice between heavy or HQ. trent |
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One fine day in the middle of the night, mgrosh@mindspring.com got up to
write: >For all you Tryanid players out there. > >Just a question.. I won't give you my opinion in case if affects your >response. please respond. this might have an affect on the army builder >files for Tryanids.... > >When you create a mutable warriors unit from the back of the codex and give >the unit one heavy weapon (venom cannon or barbed strangler) what class is >it > >a: Heavy Support >b: Elite >c: HQ > >if you think it can be more than one say something like "b or c" I think the answer is 'a or c'. Because: 1) The only place where it categorically states you need to take two heavy weapons to become Heavy Support is, by the FAQs admission, wrong in at least one area. 2) In the summary table, where it says "Heavy Weapons: HQ or Heavy Support", would it have looked as nice if it had specified the singular, i.e. "Heavy Weapon: HQ or Heavy Support"? No, it wouldn't. If I said I had up to 4 tons of fishfood in my pockets, would you automatically exclude the amount '1 ton' simple because I wouldn't say "I have 1 tons of fishfood"? No, you wouldn't. Let's get some reasoned debate going! If you want me to change the way the files work, dust off your arguments and we can have a chat. -- 'Not Colin' McAlister | License to Skrill Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today! -----------------------------+------------------------------------ "Dovie'andi se tovya sagain" - Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time |
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I think the answer is 'a or c'. Because:
1) The only place where it categorically states you need to take two heavy weapons to become Heavy Support is, by the FAQs admission, wrong in at least one area. -- Hmm.. you are correct that by the FAQ's admission that there are errors on that page, but I think the easy answer to this is that two wrongs don't make a right 2) In the summary table, where it says "Heavy Weapons: HQ or Heavy Support", would it have looked as nice if it had specified the singular, i.e. "Heavy Weapon: HQ or Heavy Support"? No, it wouldn't. If I said I had up to 4 tons of fishfood in my pockets, would you automatically exclude the amount '1 ton' simple because I wouldn't say "I have 1 tons of fishfood"? No, you wouldn't. -- That's what I thought first but, Why would they add "Heavy Weapon: Elite" There is no change.. Its still the default... so I think they assumed you would follow the rules from a normal warrior squad. -- My final argument is this. With every group of mutable tryanids you can create an exact duplicate of the normal broods from the front of the codex. For example... if you wanted to make homagaunts or a normal hive tyrant you can use the mutable Tryanid rules from the back and get the exact same thing for the same price... except when you try to use army builder to make a unit of warriors. Try to make a unit of warriors from the front and give it one heavy weapon... then try to make the same unit from the mutable warriors... --What does everyone else think... come on and post your arguments.. one way or the other.. If we want something changed or kept the same we need to voice our opinions. |
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One fine day in the middle of the night, mgrosh@mindspring.com got up to
write: >-- My final argument is this. With every group of mutable tryanids you can >create an exact duplicate of the normal broods from the front of the codex. >For example... if you wanted to make homagaunts or a normal hive tyrant you >can use the mutable Tryanid rules from the back and get the exact same thing >for the same price... except when you try to use army builder to make a >unit of warriors. Try to make a unit of warriors from the front and give it >one heavy weapon... then try to make the same unit from the mutable >warriors... Hmm, an excellent point. Anyone on my side? Don't all shout -- 'Not Colin' McAlister | License to Skrill Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today! -----------------------------+------------------------------------ "Dovie'andi se tovya sagain" - Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time |
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I haven't heard any more arguments about this.... If you think it should be
fixed just hit reply and say so. so far a few people have said that one heavy weapon means the unit can still be an elite choice. I think if we get a couple more than changes might happen.... so click that reply button it only takes a second. And if you don't agree please post a message too. -----Original Message----- From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister [mailto:demandred@skrill.org] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 6:34 PM To: ab@support.wolflair.com Subject: Re: [AB] Tryanid warriors as heavy support. One fine day in the middle of the night, mgrosh@mindspring.com got up to write: >-- My final argument is this. With every group of mutable tryanids you can >create an exact duplicate of the normal broods from the front of the codex. >For example... if you wanted to make homagaunts or a normal hive tyrant you >can use the mutable Tryanid rules from the back and get the exact same thing >for the same price... except when you try to use army builder to make a >unit of warriors. Try to make a unit of warriors from the front and give it >one heavy weapon... then try to make the same unit from the mutable >warriors... Hmm, an excellent point. Anyone on my side? Don't all shout -- 'Not Colin' McAlister | License to Skrill Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today! -----------------------------+------------------------------------ "Dovie'andi se tovya sagain" - Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time To unsubscribe from this group, email armybuilder-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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--- mgrosh@mindspring.com wrote:
> I haven't heard any more arguments about this.... If you think it > should be > fixed just hit reply and say so. > > so far a few people have said that one heavy weapon means the unit > can still > be an elite choice. I think if we get a couple more than changes > might > happen.... > Don't know if this was said before.... If I may be so bold as to quote Codex:Tyranids... page 39, in the Warrior Biomorph section, under the paragraph in italics title Notes: "If more than one warrior in the brood is armed with a bio-weapon marked * the brood counts as a Heavy Support choice." Notice it said "more than one warrior" The * marked weapons are: Barbed Strangler, Venom Cannon. So my vote is: 1 "heavy" weapon - Elites or HQ. More than 1 "heavy" weapon - Heavy Support Now the question remains -- what if the brood has more than 1 heavy weapon AND wings.....are they Heavy Support or Fast Attack? Which takes precedence? Ed __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ |
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At 10:03 12/06/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Don't know if this was said before.... > >If I may be so bold as to quote Codex:Tyranids... page 39, in the >Warrior Biomorph section, under the paragraph in italics title Notes: >"If more than one warrior in the brood is armed with a bio-weapon >marked * the brood counts as a Heavy Support choice." > >Notice it said "more than one warrior" The point is, that page is already wrong once. Using stupid metaphors again, if you read in the Times that George W. Bush was <insert untrue slanderous comment here>, would you then believe the rest of it's stories with the same alacrity? -- 'Not Colin' McAlister - License to Skrill Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today! -----------------------------+------------------------------------ "Dovie'andi se tovya sagain" - Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time |
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From: Ed Podsiad [mailto:chaos_star2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 1:04 PM To: ab@support.wolflair.com Subject: RE: [AB] Tryanid warriors as heavy support. --- mgrosh@mindspring.com wrote: >> I haven't heard any more arguments about this.... If you think it >> should be >> fixed just hit reply and say so. >> >> so far a few people have said that one heavy weapon means the unit >> can still >> be an elite choice. I think if we get a couple more than changes >> might >> happen.... >> >Don't know if this was said before.... >If I may be so bold as to quote Codex:Tyranids... page 39, in the >Warrior Biomorph section, under the paragraph in italics title Notes: >"If more than one warrior in the brood is armed with a bio-weapon >marked * the brood counts as a Heavy Support choice." >Notice it said "more than one warrior" >The * marked weapons are: Barbed Strangler, Venom Cannon. >So my vote is: 1 "heavy" weapon - Elites or HQ. More than 1 "heavy" >weapon - Heavy Support The answer to this is that in a faq: some one asked a question about heavy weapons and the response said that the way it was written on page 39 was a misprint. he didn't explain what exactly was misprinted but this is why army builder uses the table from page 38. however the question asked is very confusing and does not even mention elite class and the answer does not refer to it either. http://www.games-workshop.com/40kuni...s/tyrqanda.htm In my opinion the question and answer was very poorly written and answered without making much sense. Especially applied to the one heavy weapon argument. But the rulz boyz have been know to make mistakes and probably need to update their faq. But from listing to this groups responses and those on portent.net forums almost 100% of the Tryanid players agree that one heavy weapon still makes the group elite. also even when following the table it says Heavy Weapons. I tend to think this means 2 or more. The argument against this is "why didn't they make a line that says heavy weapon --- elite?" Well... That's kinda redundant. If it stays elite why would you add a line about it changing class? also if they wanted it to include one heavy weapon the would have written it like this "Heavy Weapon(s) --- Heavy Support or HQ" >Now the question remains -- what if the brood has more than 1 heavy >weapon AND wings.....are they Heavy Support or Fast Attack? Which >takes precedence? To answer this look at the table on 38 if you add wings its becomes either fast attack or HQ if you add heavy weapons it becomes heavy support or HQ so if you add both it can only count as HQ... That's the only class that has both. |
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--- Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org> wrote:
> At 10:03 12/06/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > >Don't know if this was said before.... > > > >If I may be so bold as to quote Codex:Tyranids... page 39, in the > >Warrior Biomorph section, under the paragraph in italics title > Notes: > >"If more than one warrior in the brood is armed with a bio-weapon > >marked * the brood counts as a Heavy Support choice." > > > >Notice it said "more than one warrior" > > The point is, that page is already wrong once. It is? That's news to me! Where? Anyhow, I would think that the actual Army List entry would take precedence anyway, and that states that you may have 1 "heavy" weapon and still by HQ or Elite, so...... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ |
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