{AB} The new vehicle Construction RUles

Which are nifty... But... Is the intent of them to allow all races access to
the Imperial weapons section? Or should each race have access only to their
own racial weapons? (Orks should have access to a subset of the impy list, I
guess, but I can't see them with Assault Cannons...)

Thanks for all the work, Colen.

Ian Argent, Master of the Inner Circle


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--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, "Jonathan Hurley" <silvercat@d...>
wrote:
> Which are nifty... But... Is the intent of them to allow all races
access to
> the Imperial weapons section? Or should each race have access only
to their
> own racial weapons? (Orks should have access to a subset of the
impy list, I
> guess, but I can't see them with Assault Cannons...)
>
> Thanks for all the work, Colen.
>
> Ian Argent, Master of the Inner Circle

According to Tim Huckleberry, the idea is that only Chaos and
Imperial forces have access to the big, untitled list. Chaos also
has access to its own unique list. Everyone else uses their own
racial list only. So no Dark Eldar Guass cannons or Necron battle
cannons or IG Brightlances. This makes sense, although it still
allows things like Khorne-dedicated vehicles with Noise Marine
vehicle weapons, storm bolters for Chaos etc.

Keith Hann


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In this article JDredd <no_toole@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>Tim Huckleberry of GWUS has mentioned a few times that All races can ONLY use
>the lists for their races, and the general "Imperial" list is to be used for
>armies such as Chaos, Space Marines, IG, SoB, Cultists.... basically Humans.
>Chaos is the only 'race' that has access to 2 lists.
>
But the rules in WD have no such restriction. Indeed, since orks for
example can take looted vehicles why would they not have access to
looted weapons? Furthermore said weapons also come with a BS category of
2, standard ork BS, whereas humans have a BS of 3. That said I've no
problem should WD clarify that the unspecified weapons chart is humans,
mutants and chaos only.


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Grotfang, not so humble ork warlord.

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--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, Versif <petark@n...> wrote:
> In this article JDredd <no_toole@y...> wrote
> >
> >Tim Huckleberry of GWUS has mentioned a few times that All races
can ONLY use
> >the lists for their races, and the general "Imperial" list is to
be used for
> >armies such as Chaos, Space Marines, IG, SoB, Cultists....
basically Humans.
> >Chaos is the only 'race' that has access to 2 lists.
> >
> But the rules in WD have no such restriction. Indeed, since orks for
> example can take looted vehicles why would they not have access to
> looted weapons? Furthermore said weapons also come with a BS
category of
> 2, standard ork BS, whereas humans have a BS of 3. That said I've no
> problem should WD clarify that the unspecified weapons chart is
> humans, mutants and chaos only.

Well, there's Frateris Militia and Hive Gangers - basically your
generic 10-50 cultist-type units - they have BS 2. And yes, the
rules in the WD have no such restriction on selection, but that's the
intention, and I'm sure you'll be seeing an FAQ on it soon enough, so
you might as well start playing that way.

It does make sense for Orks to be able to loot imperial weapons. I
imagine these rules wil be eventually designated "Opponents
permission only". If that happens, you might as well cook up a few
Ork vehicles with imperial weapons, since anything you field would
need your buddies' permission anyways, regardless of what's on it.

Keith Hann


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One fine day in the middle of the night, ice_age@hotmail.com got up to
write:

>According to Tim Huckleberry, the idea is that only Chaos and
>Imperial forces have access to the big, untitled list. Chaos also
>has access to its own unique list. Everyone else uses their own
>racial list only. So no Dark Eldar Guass cannons or Necron battle
>cannons or IG Brightlances. This makes sense, although it still
>allows things like Khorne-dedicated vehicles with Noise Marine
>vehicle weapons, storm bolters for Chaos etc.

I'd quite like to nail Tim Huckelbury's feet to the floor, and I mean
that in the nicest possible sense of the word. Someone ask him what
weapons Orks are meant to get when they have a targetter, and what they
pay for them?

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One fine day in the middle of the night, Jonathan Hurley
<silvercat@dreamseeker.org> got up to write:

>Which are nifty... But... Is the intent of them to allow all races access to
>the Imperial weapons section? Or should each race have access only to their
>own racial weapons? (Orks should have access to a subset of the impy list, I
>guess, but I can't see them with Assault Cannons...)

These are some of the vast assumptions I had to make, due to the
appalling holes in the vehicle creation rules

I assumed that everyone could get the normal list, and other races could
also get their racial weapons.

>Thanks for all the work, Colen.

Thanks!

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--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills
<demandred@s...> wrote:
> One fine day in the middle of the night, ice_age@h... got up to
> write:
>
> >According to Tim Huckleberry, the idea is that only Chaos and
> >Imperial forces have access to the big, untitled list. Chaos also
> >has access to its own unique list. Everyone else uses their own
> >racial list only. So no Dark Eldar Guass cannons or Necron battle
> >cannons or IG Brightlances. This makes sense, although it still
> >allows things like Khorne-dedicated vehicles with Noise Marine
> >vehicle weapons, storm bolters for Chaos etc.
>
> I'd quite like to nail Tim Huckelbury's feet to the floor, and I
mean
> that in the nicest possible sense of the word. Someone ask him what
> weapons Orks are meant to get when they have a targetter, and what
> they pay for them?

I think the idea is that Orks can't get higher than BS 2, and so
can't get a targeter, in the same way that a targeter can't take your
Dark Eldar above BS 4. Orks would just twin-link everything
instead.
BTW, as far as I can tell both the targeter and souped-up engines are
completely useless, since in both cases there is a way to buy the
desired level without ever applying an upgrade. Buying BS 3 +
targeter is the same as buying BS 4, and upgrading from Lumbering to
Agile back in the "Work Out Speed" section can be done without ever
touching the souped up engines. You wouldn't even bother with
lumbering. Hell, you could go straight to Fast.

Keith Hann


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One fine day in the middle of the night, JDredd <no_toole@yahoo.com> got
up to write:

>----> Well... I just called GW, and they said that Ork's can't get targeter's.
>Their justification, and I quote, "What kind of an Ork would USE a targeter?!?!"

Yeah, you'd never see an Ork use equipment that belonged to someone
else! Of all the races in the galaxy, they're the least likely to nick
bits of enemy tanks and nail them together! I'm sure GW would never let
them use another races weapons or equipment!

<lie mode cancel>

>Anyway... Oh, and they also clarified, that for the price discrepency's on the
>twin-bolter and sonicblaster on the chaos list, to use the summar chart prices
>(5 and 8, respectively).

OK.

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