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Old November 24th, 2019, 03:55 PM
I don't know if it's that easy. Sounds too strange...
Even if they take it out, maybe the company that was damaged by some unlawful release would like to know who the uploader was and sue him? I mean selling the PDFs / books (or protected RW Realms) is their only source of income for these companies.

And what would that do to your reputation as company, if you get shady news about Realms that get distributed until taken down. Probably very hard to partner up with any company then in the future. So yes, I would also be very careful with outsourcing some approval processes and transfer that responsibility.

That said, Iam still for some kind of kickstarter petition or whaaat ever to get RW back going. Is it really that hard?

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Old November 24th, 2019, 07:19 PM
It's the same way "shady" sites like YouTube, Facebook and everybody handles this.

Sure you can get the name and other identifying info for someone who uploaded infringing material but if it's not a company but some guy what's the point in suing? You can't actually expect to get your costs out of Joe Rando much less actually recover any damages.

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Old November 25th, 2019, 09:15 AM
Yes, but it seems like people are overlooking the fact that by the nature of LW's business model, they want/need to keep a good relationship with the game publishers. Paizo, et al. don't have to call the lawyers or invoke threats of lawsuits. All they have to do is revoke their licensing agreements and 'poof', LW will go up in smoke. How many copies of HLC or HLO will they sell if all the content has to be manually entered by the end user? (Which you can't even do yet with HLO.)

They have to keep the publishers happy. Bootleg content showing up in LW's managed content market will not be looked at favorably. And, safe-harbors aside, LW won't have the option of just shrugging their shoulders with a casual, 'Eh, end users, what can you do?'. And depending on volunteers to protect your business is not how you run a successful business.
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Old November 25th, 2019, 02:56 PM
Correct! Of course you need to have a grip on the copyrighted stuff. Especially in your own store.

And FB & YT are huge sites, generating so much revenue, that it might also be not cost effective for the copyright owners to go forward against such copyright infrigements. I think for music there are deals that YT pays for certain videos money to cover for the music. Other times the sound just get muted, just because in the background an "unauthorized" version of some song is played...

Anyways I think copyright is a sinkhole, which can cause a lot of trouble for your company.

It's completely okay if the software offers import / export functionality for private / fair use reasons, but public selling / posting of such content is not allowed and could also be followed up with c&d orders or worse...

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Old November 25th, 2019, 09:00 PM
! This is just not correct. The DMCA is very clear. I site owner cannot be pursued at all as long as it responds to take down notices in the required time period. It's not just not cost effective it isn't allowed. It's called a safe harbor. It doesn't matter how many infringing works you find on a hosting site as long as everyone you file a take down notice on is acted on promptly the rights holder has no recourse, of any kind, against the host site.

What YT has done is build a library of music they own the rights to and they allow any creator to use that music in their videos. YT also has an automated process which scans the entire catalog for videos that infringe and since they can't file a DMCA, only the rights holder can, they just take all the ad revenue and give it to you. They also do take down videos quite quickly if someone files a DMCA take down.

Furthermore this is 2019 not 1985. Every rights holder has to be aware their content will be distributed outside their control. They have every right to stop this but it is hypocritical in the extreme for any game company to publish PDF's with no copy protection at all and then complain because some hosting site had infringing material up until they filed a take down. To take away business from a company because of something like that is just one FB post away from a PR disaster for the rights owners and they know that.

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