Guest
Posts: n/a
|
OK--I've got a teak (ammunition). That tweak is selectable multiple times
via "zrng:0-999". HOWEVER, according to the inquisitor rulebook, the cost is the same regardless of whether you take 1 of the items or 50 of them. For example: special bolt ammunition, special ammunition, shotgun ammunition, grenade types, and toxins are all set up with "zrng:0-999". For each of these, however, the item only costs the following: bolt ammunition: 9 points regardless of # of rounds selected special ammunition: 5 points regardless of # of rounds selected shotgun ammunition: 5 points regardless of # of rounds selected grenades: 3, 5, 9, or 15 points regardless of # of grenades selected, depending on type (common, rare, exotic, legendary) toxins: 4 points regardless of # of toxin applications selected The problem is that I can't figure out how to do this. If I give the tweak a cost (i.e. 5), every time I increment it (from 1-2, 2-3, etc), it adds the cost. How do I get it to add the cost 1 time and then stop, regardless of how many further times I select that item using zrng:? |
#1 |
Guest
Posts: n/a
|
One fine day in the middle of the night, Michael Earley
<ace@madbomber.net> got up to write: >OK--I've got a teak (ammunition). That tweak is selectable multiple times >via "zrng:0-999". HOWEVER, according to the inquisitor rulebook, the cost >is the same regardless of whether you take 1 of the items or 50 of them. 'zcst:single' should work, I think. -- 'Not Colin' McAlister | License to Skrill Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today! -----------------------------+------------------------------------ "Dovie'andi se tovya sagain" - Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7...SFAA/IMSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
#2 |
Guest
Posts: n/a
|
sadly, zcst:single references the ITEM'S count, not the tweak's count. Or
at least that's what it says. And when I tried it, it didn't work... > One fine day in the middle of the night, Michael Earley > <ace@madbomber.net> got up to write: > > >OK--I've got a teak (ammunition). That tweak is selectable > multiple times > >via "zrng:0-999". HOWEVER, according to the inquisitor > rulebook, the cost > >is the same regardless of whether you take 1 of the items or > 50 of them. > > 'zcst:single' should work, I think. > > |
#3 |
Senior Member
Lone Wolf Staff
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 8,232
|
Try the following. Assign a cost of "0" to the tweak. Then use "zmor" to
chain to a separate hidden tweak that has the proper cost associated with it. IIRC, the chained tweak will only be processed if the count for the primary tweak is non-zero. This way, you can have let the user select the tweak as many times as he wants, but the cost of the tweak will only be applied once, and only if the user selects the tweak at least once. Let me know if this works.... Thanks, Rob At 04:04 PM 9/10/2001 -0400, you wrote: >sadly, zcst:single references the ITEM'S count, not the tweak's count. Or >at least that's what it says. And when I tried it, it didn't work... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (650) 726-9689 Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7...SFAA/IMSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
#4 |
Guest
Posts: n/a
|
OK--how does zmor work? I'm having trouble getting it to work.
Specifically: I've got Tweak A, with "zrng:0-999" specified, for Item 1. The cost of Tweak A is 0. On Item 1, Tweak A is specified as "Cost". I create Tweak B, with a cost of 5 (how much ALL selections, regardless of count, the Tweak A costs). Do i put the zmor attribute on Tweak A, or Tweak B? What do I specify as the relationship on zmor? "Auto", since I want it to automatically be selected when Tweak A goes above 0 (in a zrng:0-999)? Do I have to put Tweak B on the "Tweak" list for Item 1? If so, as what type? Cost? Auto? I was trying zmor, and couldn't seem to get it to work...Thanks in advance... > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Bowes [mailto:rob@wolflair.com] > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 11:02 PM > To: armybuilder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AB] Tweaks, fixed cost for zrng items > > > Try the following. Assign a cost of "0" to the tweak. Then > use "zmor" to > chain to a separate hidden tweak that has the proper cost > associated with > it. IIRC, the chained tweak will only be processed if the > count for the > primary tweak is non-zero. This way, you can have let the > user select the > tweak as many times as he wants, but the cost of the tweak > will only be > applied once, and only if the user selects the tweak at least once. > > Let me know if this works.... > > Thanks, Rob > > > At 04:04 PM 9/10/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >sadly, zcst:single references the ITEM'S count, not the > tweak's count. Or > >at least that's what it says. And when I tried it, it didn't work... > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) > (650) 726-9689 > Lone Wolf Development > www.wolflair.com > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > FREE COLLEGE MONEY > CLICK HERE to search > 600,000 scholarships! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7...SFAA/IMSolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------~-> > > To unsubscribe from this group, email > > armybuilder-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > |
#5 |
Senior Member
Lone Wolf Staff
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 8,232
|
"zmor" works virtually the same as "more" does for options. The only real
difference is that it works on tweaks. So the logic pertaining to "zmor" is the same as "more". Here is how both attributes work on a generic level.... The purpose of "more" is to have one option equate to multiple options. For example, let's assume that a user can select OptionA for UnitA. However, for UnitB, selecting OptionB also implies that OptionA is automatically taken. You can do this by assigning a "more" attriubte to OptionB that chains to OptionA. Whenever OptionB is selected, OptionA is also selected for the unit via this chaining mechanism. The link nature specified for the "more" attribute is whatever link nature you would normally use when attaching the chained option to the unit directly. If you want the chained option to appear as a selection choice for the user, then use "cost". If the chained option is always selected, use either "incl" or "auto". The only caveat to this is that chained options follow the cost/free rules of the option that chains to them. So in the example up above of OptionA and OptionB, if OptionB is attached to the unit with the "incl" nature, then all options chained from OptionB are FREE. Once one option in the chain is free, all FURTHER options in the chain are also free. Getting back to your specific example now... You would attach "TweakA" to the item with a link nature of "auto". Assign the attribute "zmor:TweakB=auto" to TweakA so that it automatically chains to TweakB and the cost is calculated. You do NOT attach TweakB directly to the item - it is chained to via TweakA. Hope this helps, Rob At 09:58 AM 9/11/2001 -0400, you wrote: >OK--how does zmor work? I'm having trouble getting it to work. >Specifically: > >I've got Tweak A, with "zrng:0-999" specified, for Item 1. The cost of >Tweak A is 0. On Item 1, Tweak A is specified as "Cost". > >I create Tweak B, with a cost of 5 (how much ALL selections, regardless of >count, the Tweak A costs). > >Do i put the zmor attribute on Tweak A, or Tweak B? > >What do I specify as the relationship on zmor? "Auto", since I want it to >automatically be selected when Tweak A goes above 0 (in a zrng:0-999)? > >Do I have to put Tweak B on the "Tweak" list for Item 1? If so, as what >type? Cost? Auto? > >I was trying zmor, and couldn't seem to get it to work...Thanks in >advance... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7...SFAA/IMSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
#6 |
Guest
Posts: n/a
|
> You would attach "TweakA" to the item with a link nature of
> "auto". Assign > the attribute "zmor:TweakB=auto" to TweakA so that it > automatically chains > to TweakB and the cost is calculated. You do NOT attach > TweakB directly to > the item - it is chained to via TweakA. > > Hope this helps, > Rob > One last question--can I assign TweakA to the item with a link nature of "cost" instead of "Auto"? What I want to avoid is the 5 points being added to the item unless the sbsr selects 1 or more of the tweak (ammunition). |
#7 |
Senior Member
Lone Wolf Staff
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 8,232
|
Absolutely. The cost/free nature is inherited downward. But you are free to
use either "cost" or "auto" for cost-based links and either "free" or "incl" for free links. Thanks, Rob At 03:35 PM 9/11/2001 -0400, you wrote: >One last question--can I assign TweakA to the item with a link nature of >"cost" instead of "Auto"? What I want to avoid is the 5 points being added >to the item unless the sbsr selects 1 or more of the tweak (ammunition). --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (650) 726-9689 Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7...SFAA/IMSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
#8 |
Guest
Posts: n/a
|
> You would attach "TweakA" to the item with a link nature of
> "auto". Assign > the attribute "zmor:TweakB=auto" to TweakA so that it > automatically chains > to TweakB and the cost is calculated. You do NOT attach > TweakB directly to > the item - it is chained to via TweakA. > > Hope this helps, > Rob > OK--I've played around with this. Here's what DIDN'T work: 1) Tweak A has "zmor:TweakB=auto" as an attribute. Tweak B has a cost of 5. Tweak A is listed as an applicable tweak for "ItemB", which is a "generic" item. Item A, the "main" item in question, has an attribute of "zcln:ItemB". Item A has no applicable tweaks of its own--only the tweaks it clones from the "zcln:ItemB" attribute. This did not work, I suspect b/c of the "zcln" nature. 2) Tweak A has "zmor:TweakB=auto" as an attribute. Tweak B has a cost of 5. Tweak A is listed as an applicable tweak, with a relationship of "cost" for "ItemA", which is the main item. Tweak A has "zrng:0-999" attribute associated with it. This did not work. Incrementing the count of "tweak A" only exposed the TweakB in the list of options, but did not auto-select it. 3) Tweak A has "zmor:TweakB=auto" as an attribute. Tweak B has a cost of 5. Tweak A is listed as an applicable tweak, with a relationship of "auto" for "ItemA", which is the main item. Tweak A has "zrng:0-999" attribute associated with it. This did not work. Incrementing the count of "tweak A" only exposed the TweakB in the list of options, but did not auto-select it. 4) Tweak A has "zmor:TweakB=auto" as an attribute. Tweak B has a cost of 5. Tweak A is listed as an applicable tweak, with a relationship of "cost" for "ItemA", which is the main item. Tweak A DOES NOT HAVE the "zrng:0-999" attribute associated with it anymore, meaning the tweak can only be selected once. This did not work. Selecting "tweak A" only exposed the TweakB in the list of options, but did not auto-select it. 5) Tweak A has "zmor:TweakB=auto" as an attribute. Tweak B has a cost of 5. Tweak A is listed as an applicable tweak, with a relationship of "auto" for "ItemA", which is the main item. Tweak A DOES NOT HAVE the "zrng:0-999" attribute associated with it anymore, meaning the tweak can only be selected once. This is the only way that worked. My question is this--is there something I did wrong with the first 4 options? Or is the ONLY way I can implement this option 5, which is not the desireable option, as 1) there are a BUNCH of grenade and ammunition types that I have to associate to a BUNCH of weapon types if the "zcln" attribute doesn't work, and 2) ammunition and grenades are a "count-selectable" item, not a "yes/no" selectable item, and so not having the "zrng" feature is undesirable... For a copy of my data file, go to the ab-files section and get Michael Earley's inquisitor file, version 2.0. You can open the data files. Look at the following as examples to play with: - Item: Single Fire Grenade Launcher as "main" item (Item A in example above). It's "GunSFGL". Also, "OtGreAmm" as the "Item B" generic grouping of all valid grenade ammunition types for grenade launchers. - Tweaks: "AmmAnPG", the Anti-Plant Grenades. This is "TweakA" in the examples above. "GreRare" as Rare Grenade. This is "tweakB" in the examples above. m.e. |
#9 |
Senior Member
Lone Wolf Staff
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 8,232
|
At 05:51 PM 9/11/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>1) Tweak A has "zmor:TweakB=auto" as an attribute. Tweak B has a cost of 5. >Tweak A is listed as an applicable tweak for "ItemB", which is a "generic" >item. Item A, the "main" item in question, has an attribute of >"zcln:ItemB". Item A has no applicable tweaks of its own--only the tweaks >it clones from the "zcln:ItemB" attribute. This would not work, since your use of "zcln" is incorrect. >2) Tweak A has "zmor:TweakB=auto" as an attribute. Tweak B has a cost of 5. >Tweak A is listed as an applicable tweak, with a relationship of "cost" for >"ItemA", which is the main item. Tweak A has "zrng:0-999" attribute >associated with it. This SHOULD work. It appears this is a bug in V2.2a. I'll have to get this fixed. >3) Tweak A has "zmor:TweakB=auto" as an attribute. Tweak B has a cost of 5. >Tweak A is listed as an applicable tweak, with a relationship of "auto" for >"ItemA", which is the main item. Tweak A has "zrng:0-999" attribute >associated with it. This would not give you the desired results due to the "auto" link nature on TweakA. >4) Tweak A has "zmor:TweakB=auto" as an attribute. Tweak B has a cost of 5. >Tweak A is listed as an applicable tweak, with a relationship of "cost" for >"ItemA", which is the main item. Tweak A DOES NOT HAVE the "zrng:0-999" >attribute associated with it anymore, meaning the tweak can only be selected >once. This SHOULD work. While this doesn't achieve the effect you are striving for, it should work correctly. This appears to be part of the same bug identified above. >My question is this--is there something I did wrong with the first 4 >options? Or is the ONLY way I can implement this option 5, which is not the >desireable option, as 1) there are a BUNCH of grenade and ammunition types >that I have to associate to a BUNCH of weapon types if the "zcln" attribute >doesn't work, and 2) ammunition and grenades are a "count-selectable" item, >not a "yes/no" selectable item, and so not having the "zrng" feature is >undesirable... You did things correctly, but there seems to be a bug in AB. I'll have to fix it before you can get this working the way it should be done. Thanks, Rob --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (650) 726-9689 Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8...SFAA/IMSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
#10 |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Tweaks | mach_5 at rocketmail.com | Army Builder | 5 | January 21st, 2004 09:04 PM |
Tweaks & ztbl | mach_5 at rocketmail.com | Army Builder | 0 | January 14th, 2004 10:59 AM |
stacking items with irng apply cost for first only? | adam at realnice.com | Army Builder | 1 | May 14th, 2003 02:17 AM |
Items cost being rolled up into parent | woodywalton at hotmail.co | Army Builder | 2 | September 11th, 2001 09:10 PM |