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Mathias
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Old April 16th, 2012, 09:37 AM
I'm afraid I can't duplicate this.

I just added the following to a blank character:

Changeling
Arcane Arrestor
Biosonar

(I just picked the first two high-cost metagenetic qualities I saw)

The Positive Qualities tab is currently displayed in red, and when I look at the error report, it says "Positive Qualities BP: Resource Overspent: 45 of 35".
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Old April 16th, 2012, 10:01 AM
What I'm trying to do is give more Neg and pos metagenetic abilities to the fomori the rules as I read them doesn't say you can't get more. As far as I can see, I may be wrong. But when you buy more it won't count against the total neg or pos total. How would I go about house ruling this, if at all possible.
thanks for any help.
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Old April 16th, 2012, 10:04 AM
Jbear,

Metagenetics are unlocked by taking the Changeling quality.

Once you've done that the first points you spend don't count based on the surged level you have 1,2,3 = 10/5, 20/10, or 30/15. those don't count against your overall Qualities total. If I buy more metagenetic qualities, they count against the total.

For instance, I took Quills (10 pt positive) and Bioluminescence (5 point negative). That's free because 10 - 5 = 5 which is the 5 points I spent on Changeling.

If I then added Balance receptor, that would then cost me 5 bp against my 35 pt total.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Runners Companion pg 73
CHANGELING Qualit IES
After a metatype is chosen, transforming the character into
a changeling is as simple as choosing one of the 3 levels of the
Changeling Positive quality (next column). This quality counts
towards the character’s limit of Positive qualities (p. 77, SR4),

but unlocks a number of additional Build Points to be used exclusively
to select Positive and Negative Metagenic qualities (see Metagenetic Qualities, p. 110).
Depending on the level taken, the character must choose a
number of Positive and Negative Metagenetic qualities (p. 110),
though gamemasters may chose to take on Negative Metagenetic
qualitiy selection to ensure balance. Metagenetic qualities chosen
in this fashion do not count toward the 35 BP cap on qualities, as
long as they remain within the totals defined by the Changeling
quality.
If the player chooses Metagenetic qualities with a total BP
value greater than the given thresholds, the excess cost or bonus
BP count toward the character’s normal limits for qualities.
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Old April 16th, 2012, 10:06 AM
jbearwillis, could you please expand on your last post? I'm afraid I don't understand what issue you're trying to report. What are you seeing? What do you expect to see?
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Old April 16th, 2012, 10:07 AM
Oh I see the problem. Some Metavariants such as the Formori or the Dryad unlock the metagenetics qualities area and technically count as having taking Changeling with the traits selected.

The math isn't working correctly because they don't have the actual Changeling Quality, they get it from their race.
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Old April 16th, 2012, 10:09 AM
Simple test, take a dryad and add another metagenetic quality to him or her.

A dryad mathematically has Glamour (15 pt metagenetic postivie) and Symbiosis (10 pt metagenetic negative) and mathematically is Changeling SURGE II. well.... more like SURGE 1.5 (20/10 would be 2, 10/5 is 1).

But the calculations don't seem to work because they don't have the actual Changeling quality.

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Old April 16th, 2012, 10:29 AM
Yes that is what I'm saying - Am I right or wrong on this - it is confusing me LOL - and if so is there a work around. I was Just asking because my Shadowmaster allows this.

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Old April 16th, 2012, 10:35 AM
The bug here appears to be that HL is allowing you to take additional metagenetic qualities if you take a metavariant - you're supposed to have to take the Changling quality, even if you're already a metavariant, in order to allow the purchase of additional metagenetic qualities.

If you do take Changeling for a metavariant, the free qualities from your metavariant don't count against Changeling's limits, nor do those free qualities from your metavariant count against the normal positive/negative quality limits.
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Old April 16th, 2012, 10:41 AM
My fomori has 2 neg qualities Extravagant Eyes and Unusual Hair but they won't count against the overall neg.total. Also if you take the changeling class - if you take more neg. qualities it sends the main neg qualities in to the neg zone instead of adding to the total so you can buy more neg qualities then should be allowed - if I'm seeing it right.
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Old April 16th, 2012, 10:45 AM
In order to purchase Extravagant Eyes and Unusual Hair, your Fomori must first purchase the Changeling quality. You are not supposed to be allowed to purchase them just by purchasing Fomori.
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