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By the way, are there retail versions of the newer releases of CV, or still just 1.0b?
--Kyle Turner emperor799@earthlink.net "We'll put that in your biography. General Antilles was so good he couldn't fail when he tried to." -- Tycho Celchu ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Bolme To: cardvault@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [CardVault] Inventory by Default? > Please realize also that we are a TINY company. Our development staff > consists of two people. And I spend a LARGE portion of my time dealing with > all sorts of non-development issues. So we really only have about 1.3 > developers on staff. Note from the marketing guy: If you want to see this figure change, the best thing you can do is to *evangelize the product*. Part of the reason we're tiny is that we can't afford any more people. The more sales we get, the better off the company is, and therefore the better off Card Vault will be. Recent data have shown that awareness of Card Vault is still very low. So please, don't just use the program on your own. Get your store to carry it. Get your friends and favorite opponents to download it and try it out (both the regular program and the free Deck Viewer). Email the CV demo exe file to folks you know who might be interested. Peer sales are very effective. And thanks for your support. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: cardvault-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/KXUxcA/fNt...3JAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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The current version on store shelves is V1.0. However, the V1.1 update is
free and accessible directly from within CV, so it's really not a big deal. In order to manage costs, production runs tend to be large, hence free updates are made available. This is standard practice for just about every piece of software currently in production, so I don't understand the cause of the concern. Thanks, Rob At 01:51 PM 5/1/2003 -0400, you wrote: >By the way, are there retail versions of the newer releases of CV, or >still just 1.0b? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (559) 658-6995 Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/KXUxcA/fNt...tFAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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...The current version on store shelves is V1.0. However, the V1.1 update
is free and accessible directly from within CV, so it's really not a big deal... Kind of annoying to find that the "free update" is in fact the full programme, would have been cheaper than the CD you have just paid for and that this time security doesn't physically require a disc to run the programme. ---Steven ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/cjB9SD/od7...tFAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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I bought the disc cause it was easier and quicker to get the license number.
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I wasn't concerned, I just wondered since I was going to talk to my local game shop about carrying it.
--Kyle Turner emperor799@earthlink.net "We'll put that in your biography. General Antilles was so good he couldn't fail when he tried to." -- Tycho Celchu ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Bowes To: cardvault@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [CardVault] sales The current version on store shelves is V1.0. However, the V1.1 update is free and accessible directly from within CV, so it's really not a big deal. In order to manage costs, production runs tend to be large, hence free updates are made available. This is standard practice for just about every piece of software currently in production, so I don't understand the cause of the concern. Thanks, Rob At 01:51 PM 5/1/2003 -0400, you wrote: >By the way, are there retail versions of the newer releases of CV, or >still just 1.0b? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (559) 658-6995 Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: cardvault-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping & No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP....tFAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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Well, it's a matter of effort vs. return. The whole download is relatively
small (by most standards for program size). To have an updater that goes from any of the released versions up to the most recent would require a substantial amount of work on our end to setup and maintain with each new release. And if we didn't automate the whole thing, it would also result in a bevvy of support questions and frustrated users, thereby adding to the work involved to do it "right". So, given the small size, it's just a lot easier to have a single download of everything that all users can easily grab. The time we save by not having to develop/maintain the updater is then focused on squeezing another few features into the update. So it's a tradeoff of what functionality if more "valuable" to the majority of users. Basically, when a customer purchases the CD, the key thing he's purchasing is the license number. Buying the CD provides instant gratification for that purpose. And most gamers want that instant gratification if they can get it. :-) Thanks, Rob At 01:09 PM 5/2/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Kind of annoying to find that the "free update" is in fact the full >programme, would have been cheaper than the CD you have just paid for and >that this time security doesn't physically require a disc to run the >programme. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (559) 658-6995 Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees & Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP....tFAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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Cool!
The license includes a year of free updates from the date of first activation. So theoretically a distributor could have a copy of V1.0 stuck on a back shelf two years from now that finally makes it to a retailer's shelf and then into a consumer's hands. Even though V3.0 might have been released by then, the license enables the user to immediately grab the latest release, as well as another year of subsequent updates. So the version that's in the package is actually of no real importance. It's still preferable to have the latest version of the product in the package (<G>), but it's really just a convenience for the user. We actually considered having the CD *NOT* contain the product and instead contain an updater that automatically grabbed the latest version of the product. But that flies in the face of what consumers are used to, so we chose not to go that route. My guess is that this approach will be the way many products work in the future. But it's not always best to be the one leading the change, since a lot of folks don't respond well to change. :-) Thanks, Rob At 03:00 PM 5/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I wasn't concerned, I just wondered since I was going to talk to my local >game shop about carrying it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (559) 658-6995 Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping & No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP....tFAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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To be honest, I don't feel like I got my full years worth of this free update.
I originally got my license last september, but CardVault did not really become usable for me until 1.1 came out. Until that time, it pretty much lay dormant on my hard drive. 1.0 had major problems until 1.1 came out. At 09:20 PM 5/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Cool! > >The license includes a year of free updates from the date of first >activation. So theoretically a distributor could have a copy of V1.0 stuck >on a back shelf two years from now that finally makes it to a retailer's >shelf and then into a consumer's hands. Even though V3.0 might have been >released by then, the license enables the user to immediately grab the >latest release, as well as another year of subsequent updates. > >So the version that's in the package is actually of no real importance. >It's still preferable to have the latest version of the product in the >package (<G>), but it's really just a convenience for the user. > >We actually considered having the CD *NOT* contain the product and instead >contain an updater that automatically grabbed the latest version of the >product. But that flies in the face of what consumers are used to, so we >chose not to go that route. My guess is that this approach will be the way >many products work in the future. But it's not always best to be the one >leading the change, since a lot of folks don't respond well to change. :-) > >Thanks, Rob > >At 03:00 PM 5/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >I wasn't concerned, I just wondered since I was going to talk to my local > >game shop about carrying it. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (559) 658-6995 >Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >cardvault-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Geoffrey DeWan gdewan@prairienet.org ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping & No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP....tFAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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What were the "major problems" you refer to? There were no significant bugs
in V1.0b that I can recall, and V1.0b was released in August. We simply added new functoinality in V1.1, along with the rewrite of the inventory manager interface to make it more flexible. So I'm a bit confused by your reference to "major problems". Seeking to understand.... -Rob At 12:21 PM 5/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >To be honest, I don't feel like I got my full years worth of this free update. >I originally got my license last september, but CardVault did not really >become usable for me until 1.1 came out. Until that time, it pretty much >lay dormant on my hard drive. 1.0 had major problems until 1.1 came out. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bowes (rob@wolflair.com) (559) 658-6995 Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees & Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP....tFAA/WuQolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> |
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