Inquisitor Ravener Hunter and Monk Unchained Zen Archer cannot be used together?

[Cards77]

This shouldn't be the case. Nothing is preventing these two archetypes from being used together.

[Maidhc O Casain]

Are you sure it's the combination that's giving the validation error? By RAW, Unchained Monks can't take the Zen Archer archetype because the different way UM does Ki Powers conflicts with ZA.

[Ualaa]

There is an unchained Zen Archer archetype within the Community Package. While it's valid RAW, with your GM's permission it is very possible to do within hero lab.

[Maidhc O Casain]

Yeah, I'm aware of the community content - I've even used it before for the monk archetypes.

But I don't know if Cards77 is using that content. I can think of no possible reason for two different classes to be causing an exclusion of an archetype for one of those classes. The idea that it's actually the class itself that's invalidating the archetype because it's not valid per RAW just makes more sense to me, so I thought I'd ask about it.

[Cards77]

Originally Posted by Maidhc O Casain

Are you sure it's the combination that's giving the validation error? By RAW, Unchained Monks can't take the Zen Archer archetype because the different way UM does Ki Powers conflicts with ZA.

that's not the error that I'm getting in HL.

I'd like to point out that there is a problem here regardless of the ins and outs of RAW, Unchained etc, and it should be easily fixable by the devs.

[Minous]

Originally Posted by Cards77

that's not the error that I'm getting in HL.

I'd like to point out that there is a problem here regardless of the ins and outs of RAW, Unchained etc, and it should be easily fixable by the devs.

Can you post the por file?

[Mathias]

When I test a blank character, add just a level of Monk (Unchained), and then try to add Zen Archer, I get the error message you're seeing. As Maidhc said, by RAW, the zen archer archetype is not compatible with the Unchained version of the monk, only with a regular monk, because it makes changes to the original's version of how ki powers are arranged. In HL, those changes between the monk versions are noted with the same "replaced" and "modified" tags that archetypes use - it simplifies the process of tracking all those archetypes of monk, barbarian, summoner and rogue to treat the unchained versions, behind the scenes, as things that already have an archetype applied, so that the tracking we had already built to detect archetype conflicts gets applied to tracking conflicts between unchained versions and archetypes of the CRB version, rather than having to manually search for which archetypes are incompatible and write a unique error message for each.

[Maidhc O Casain]

In the community pack there is an option to allow monk archetypes for the Unchained Monk class - sounds like the way to go, Cards.

[Cards77]

Originally Posted by Mathias

When I test a blank character, add just a level of Monk (Unchained), and then try to add Zen Archer, I get the error message you're seeing. As Maidhc said, by RAW, the zen archer archetype is not compatible with the Unchained version of the monk, only with a regular monk, because it makes changes to the original's version of how ki powers are arranged. In HL, those changes between the monk versions are noted with the same "replaced" and "modified" tags that archetypes use - it simplifies the process of tracking all those archetypes of monk, barbarian, summoner and rogue to treat the unchained versions, behind the scenes, as things that already have an archetype applied, so that the tracking we had already built to detect archetype conflicts gets applied to tracking conflicts between unchained versions and archetypes of the CRB version, rather than having to manually search for which archetypes are incompatible and write a unique error message for each.

Thank you for explaining. I see the reason for the error message but not a reason why the error should exist.

There shouldn't be a problem unless you're taking Monk AND UM. Which I am not.

I have only Inquisitor Ravener Hunter, and TRYING to take Zen Archer.

However, for this build I DO need ZA to apply to UM.

Any thoughts?

Any way to house rule this?

[Cards77]

Originally Posted by Maidhc O Casain

In the community pack there is an option to allow monk archetypes for the Unchained Monk class - sounds like the way to go, Cards.

Ah ok thank you! I hate to ask yet another dumb question but where does this option live?

**EDIT** Think I found it thank you. New install haven't played with the community packs for some years.