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Old March 2nd, 2020, 06:28 AM
Hello gurus
I just bought HLC week before last, its great. been playing with DnD 5e and I want to go deeper now, I want to explore.
Yes,
fate is cruel. Its inevitable
yet another ambitious noob looking for the easy way around the underdark

But I'm not your typical noob, well, yeah, I am, but that's beside the point...

I am a researching noob, that will actually try stuff before giving up and asking for directions. I am worthy
So I guess that makes me a tenacious noobius maximus, ubernoob

Anyway, where the hell is the link for this mysterious authoring kit Ive heard tell about? The great sage Google will not reveal it, it is that secret but makes me even more determined

I've heard its not for the timid, and that's ok. I'm not scared away easily.
I've managed to hack some code to useful effect in RPTools Maptool, and VisualBasic and tho I'm no code guru, I'm not scared to hack a line if I understand what it does, and sometimes even when I don't.

I haven't found the AK link, and it does not bode well, for if I cant even find the door, what the helll, am I gonna do once in the dungeon!

anyway, one noob step at a time. I d/l the unauthorized HL Ak manual by Noctifier and pouring over it, I like unauthorized stuff.

How do I find/access/unlock the AK so I can buy it and enter the HL underground and be humbled like a good noob should, and rise to my own level of incompetence with this awesome software!

Thanks!

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Old March 2nd, 2020, 07:34 AM
Use the link within HLC to "purchase data package". One of the data packages will be the authoring kit; it comes with Savage Worlds data files as an example.

There is also a web-based tutorial which you should definitely follow to learn the basics of setting up a new game system.

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Old March 2nd, 2020, 08:27 AM
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Use the link within HLC to "purchase data package". One of the data packages will be the authoring kit; it comes with Savage Worlds data files as an example.

There is also a web-based tutorial which you should definitely follow to learn the basics of setting up a new game system.
OMGoodness... I see, I hadn't tried that yet. that lead me to to a new place.
All the Kobold Press stuff, *drool* all 5e the packages, I had no idea.

So.... Savage Worlds, Authoring Kit, D&D4E, & others is the Authoring kit I'm looking for I presume, just double checking.
After purchase, will the web-based tut mentioned be made available?
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Old March 2nd, 2020, 08:38 AM
The authoring kit wiki is already available to all users, even without purchasing the authoring kit - within HL, open some other game system, and go to the Help menu, then choose "More Documentation" and then "Authoring Kit Manual". That includes a walkthrough that follows the steps we did when using the authoring kit to create Savage Worlds.
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Old March 2nd, 2020, 09:05 AM
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The authoring kit wiki is already available to all users, even without purchasing the authoring kit - within HL, open some other game system, and go to the Help menu, then choose "More Documentation" and then "Authoring Kit Manual". That includes a walkthrough that follows the steps we did when using the authoring kit to create Savage Worlds.
Ahhh ok, then I've likely been through some of that.

Thank you sers for the quick responses.
So begins my exciting journey to the HL underworld.

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Old March 2nd, 2020, 11:21 AM
It's... a trip, to be sure. Just like any other system, buying it will let you save and print portfolios (and exceed a few limits in the number of elements you can add to a character), so you can basically do the entire tutorial, trying it out, before buying anything.

And if you encounter troubles, post here. We're friendly, and always glad to see another suffer^Kenjoy their experience with the program. :-D
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Old March 3rd, 2020, 03:32 AM
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It's... a trip, to be sure. Just like any other system, buying it will let you save and print portfolios (and exceed a few limits in the number of elements you can add to a character), so you can basically do the entire tutorial, trying it out, before buying anything.

And if you encounter troubles, post here. We're friendly, and always glad to see another suffer^Kenjoy their experience with the program. :-D
Yay! Thank you, misery loves company!
I bought in, and thus far the underdark is not so bad, but it is tricky, there are footfalls along the way..

i.e. I'm doing the tuts and mistrust myself when the Tut mentions something that hasn't been presented before, like the mention of bootstraps in Tut #2
I'm on Tut #6 and still haven't seen bootstrap's, bootstraps
So I retrace my steps, looking for secrets I might have missed, and there are many winding passages and earthly distractions.
I don't know what Picks are either but I know they are a thing, well maybe not a "thing", you get my point, and I'll get there by & by

Regarding the tuts, I've gathered all work is focused on dev and I'm good with that. Carry on.
Having a place here to ask for help is great
I continue on yet undaunted

I do have a noob question, possibly jumping the gun but I want to know
How deep does the AK go? Can I eventually get to the point of creating/editing my own tabs and fields, or are the ones presented sort of hardcoded and that's what I have to work with? (which is amazing)
Is there yet a deeper darker place learned sages go that allow them to alter the fabric of reality? (aside from HL program language level code which is for Wizards, I'm not worthy)
What if I wanted a PC who could possess multiple items that each had their own AC,HP, and what if manually tracking them was fine by me?
Could the learned sage do this?

(pardon the metaphors its just fun, humor an old man)
Thanks!

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Old March 3rd, 2020, 05:24 AM
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i.e. I'm doing the tuts and mistrust myself when the Tut mentions something that hasn't been presented before, like the mention of bootstraps in Tut #2
I'm on Tut #6 and still haven't seen bootstrap's, bootstraps
So I retrace my steps, looking for secrets I might have missed, and there are many winding passages and earthly distractions.
I don't know what Picks are either but I know they are a thing, well maybe not a "thing", you get my point, and I'll get there by & by
It doesn't hurt to quickly read through the Basic Concepts and Terminology page. Yes, it would be good if things got described in the tutorial, but we have to work with what we have. In general, the search engine on the wiki is pretty good about recognizing these topics when you type them in. Some of the functions and macros are a bit trickier since they're not always indexed, but fortunately, the IDs tend to be more unique for the functions, and the macros are generally findable via a Files search on a given project.

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I do have a noob question, possibly jumping the gun but I want to know
How deep does the AK go? Can I eventually get to the point of creating/editing my own tabs and fields, or are the ones presented sort of hardcoded and that's what I have to work with? (which is amazing)
Is there yet a deeper darker place learned sages go that allow them to alter the fabric of reality? (aside from HL program language level code which is for Wizards, I'm not worthy)
Creating your own tabs and fields is no problem, and is covered in the tutorial. I believe you can do 95-98% of the system just using the Authoring Kit and available documentation. There are a few undocumented features, and I think there's occasional features for the published dataset that involves them going into the actual code for the engine to add a feature. It's more than enough for us mortals.

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What if I wanted a PC who could possess multiple items that each had their own AC,HP, and what if manually tracking them was fine by me?
Could the learned sage do this?
Yes. You could either track those as their own fields as objects, or go the extra step and defined them as minions of a special type.
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Old March 3rd, 2020, 05:45 AM
Fantastic!
Thank you
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Old March 3rd, 2020, 06:40 AM
I wish you luck and a lot of patience with this For me it was bridge too far.

The past is a rudder to guide us, not an anchor to hold us back.
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