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Wordpoet
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Old May 17th, 2018, 09:33 AM
Just curious. I generated a level 3 monk character which had a +10 in climb and the Athletic Feat.

When I use the 'Ring of the Monkey' it raises the climb skill to +28, adding 18 to the 10. I know in the description it says it adds +8 when I have the Athletics feat but what is the other +10 for?

The description I get for the skills shows the following:

Skill Bonus Calculations
Total Bonus +28 = 1 (ranks) +3 (class skill) +4 (STR mod) +2 (competence bonus) +8 (enhancement bonus) +10 (untyped bonus)

What is the 'Untyped Bonus'?

Note: This item comes from the "Freeport Players Guide / Freeport: City of" ... that's all the description I got under Sourcebooks.

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Old May 17th, 2018, 10:14 AM
Well, 8 of it is probably the bonus to climb you get from having a climb speed. Not sure where the other 2 is coming from.
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Old May 17th, 2018, 10:19 AM
The +8 comes from the ring. The other +2 likely has a different source. Check your character to see what else might be giving you a bonus to climb. Untyped just means it's not a specific type of bonus (ie competence, enhancement, trait, etc).
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Old May 17th, 2018, 10:44 AM
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EDIT:
Ok I think I figured it out and Aaron provided the key.

The ring description says the following with the athletics feat:
1 - You gain a climb speed equal to your land speed. (Thank-you Aaron for pointing this out.)
2 - AND you gain a +8 enhancement bonus.

Climb Speed - A creature with a climb speed has a +8 racial bonus on all Climb checks. ... (Ref: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/climb/)
Feats - If you have the Athletic feat you get a +2 bonus on Climb checks. If you have 10 or more ranks in Climb, the bonus increases to +4. (Ref: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/climb/)
Ring - Provides a +8 enhancement bonus

Wow.. To be honest that is way more than I expected but pretty awesome. Thanks for the help figuring it out.

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Old May 17th, 2018, 10:53 AM
I think this might be the author misunderstanding the rules, and thinking he needed to mention the +8 everyone gets from having a climb speed, and for some reason calling it out as an enhancement bonus (which it is not). The result being the item granting the sort of same thing twice.
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Old May 17th, 2018, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Wordpoet View Post
Actually the +8 from the ring is listed as the +8 (enhancement bonus) however in addition to this +8 there is an additional +10 points. The ring adds a total of +18. I'm trying to determine what the +10 is from as this only appears when the ring is worn.

With the ring:
Skill Bonus Calculations
Total Bonus +28 = 1 (ranks) +3 (class skill) +4 (STR mod) +2 (competence bonus) +8 (enhancement bonus) +10 (untyped bonus)

Without the ring:
Skill Bonus Calculations
Total Bonus +10 = 1 (ranks) +3 (class skill) +4 (STR mod) +2 (untyped bonus)

Seeing as the 'Untyped' difference is also 8, is it possible that it is adding the +8 enhancement twice in different ways?
The details are all in the description.

+8 untyped bonus to climb when the ring is activated
+x competence bonus to climb when wearing the ring where x=DEX mod
+8 enhancement bonus if you also have the Athletics feat
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Old May 17th, 2018, 11:03 AM
Here is the item text:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ring of Monkey
The {i}ring of the monkey{/i} allows you to add your Dexterity bonus as a competence bonus on all Climb checks. As well, once per day, you may activate the ring as a swift action to gain a climb speed equal to your land speed until the start of your next turn.

If you have the Athletics feat, the ring’s properties improve. You gain a climb speed equal to your land speed for as long as you wear the ring, and you gain a +8 enhancement bonus on Climb checks. You may also choose to take 10 on Climb checks even if rushed or threatened.
And here is the script
Post-Attributes/4000:
Code:
      doneif (field[gIsEquip].value = 0)

      ~ Dex bonus to Climb
      field[abValue].value += #attrmod[aDEX]
      #applybonus[BonComp,hero.child[skClimb],field[abValue].value]

      if (#hasfeat[fAthletic] = 0) then
        perform assign[User.Activation]
        perform assign[Usage.Day]
        perform assign[User.Tracker]
        field[trkMax].value = 1

        if (field[abilActive].value <> 0) then
          perform hero.childfound[xClimb].assign[SpeedMult.Full]
          endif

      else
        perform hero.childfound[xClimb].assign[SpeedMult.Full]
        #applybonus[BonEnhance, hero.childfound[skClimb], 8]
        endif
This all looks correct. You are getting +2 bonus from Dex, +8 racial bonus from Climb speed and finally a +8 enhancement bonus from the ring.

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Old May 17th, 2018, 11:12 AM
The +2 from dex is a competence bonus, which is shown in the breakdown he gave above, so it isn't the mystery +2 that is going into untyped. That is actually probably from his Athletic feat.
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Old May 17th, 2018, 11:13 AM
Ah, nevermind, looks like wordpoet already worked it out above, sorry about that!
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Old May 17th, 2018, 11:16 AM
Great feedback everyone. Thank-you all for the help in understanding how this worked.
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