Enquiring minds...

Hello Shawn,

First off, glad that you took over the responsibilities of the 40K
files, have always wondered who would do it if Mr. Skrill passed away
into the realms of the 'real world' =]

Now onto my question, I have been mulling this over for a few weeks now
and am very curious about a change that you made when you took over the
40K datafiles. Why is it that you made Cultists available for armies
such as:

Iron Warrior Army
Night Lords Army
World Eaters Army

I can understand them being available to a Chaos Army, but not one of
the above...

Thanks,
Curious as to your reasoning as it says "any Chaos Army", and not 'Any
army of Chaos".

Thanks
TP

> Now onto my question, I have been mulling this over for a few weeks now
> and am very curious about a change that you made when you took over the
> 40K datafiles. Why is it that you made Cultists available for armies
> such as:

For the same reasons VDR is allowed and all space marine chapters get the
Land Raider Crusader.

Shawn 'Not Colen' Campbell
40k3@electricstitch.com
http://www.electricstitch.com/ab_files (submit bug reports and view history)


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What?

-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Campbell [mailto:shawn@electricstitch.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 7:44 PM
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Subject: Re: [AB] Enquiring minds...


> Now onto my question, I have been mulling this over for a few weeks
now
> and am very curious about a change that you made when you took over
the
> 40K datafiles. Why is it that you made Cultists available for armies
> such as:

For the same reasons VDR is allowed and all space marine chapters get
the
Land Raider Crusader.

Shawn 'Not Colen' Campbell
40k3@electricstitch.com
http://www.electricstitch.com/ab_files (submit bug reports and view
history)



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Okay, I was in a bit of a rush... I'll be more specific.

The wording in the IA articles, for both Chaos and Imperial Space Marines
is:

"[insert chapter] use the following units from Codex (Chaos) Space Marines."

and

"The following rules and Codex changes apply when using [insert chapter]
army."

The Chaos Cultists and Vehicle Design Rules are chapter approved additions.
The Land Raider Crusader is from Codex: Armageddon. The article only shows
which units from Codex (Chaos) Space Marine that can be used. The chapter
approved and Codex: Armageddon are "in addition to" the codex.

In the Chapter Approved Compilation, it is stated:

For Cultists, "Any Chaos Space Marine army may include units of Chaos
Cultists..."

I think Emperor's Children, Night Lords, World Eaters, etc... all count as
"Chaos Space Marine armys".

I didn't find a specific quote for VDR, but basically any army may have VDR
vehicles (with opponent permission), even though the IA article doesn't
mention it. It doesn't make any sense to limit VDR to only Strict Codex
armies.

In Codex: Armageddon, it is stated:

For Land Raider Crusader, "Other Space Marine Chapters may take Crusader
pattern Land Raiders, but their greater rarity outside the Black Templars
Chapter means that other Chapters are limited to having a maximum of only
one."

If all chapters have access to LRC's, then they should be allowed to the IA
chapters as well.

So, as I stated, for the same reason as VDR and the Land Raider Crusader,
Cultists are allowed in ANY chaos army.

Shawn 'Not Colen' Campbell
40k3@electricstitch.com
http://www.electricstitch.com/ab_files (submit bug reports and view history)


> What?

> > Now onto my question, I have been mulling this over for a few weeks
> now
> > and am very curious about a change that you made when you took over
> the
> > 40K datafiles. Why is it that you made Cultists available for armies
> > such as:
>
> For the same reasons VDR is allowed and all space marine chapters get
> the
> Land Raider Crusader.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Campbell [mailto:shawn@electricstitch.com]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 12:11 AM
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Subject: Re: [AB] Enquiring minds...

Okay, I was in a bit of a rush... I'll be more specific.

/me
=Sounds Good....
/end me


The wording in the IA articles, for both Chaos and Imperial Space
Marines
is:

"[insert chapter] use the following units from Codex (Chaos) Space
Marines."

and

"The following rules and Codex changes apply when using [insert chapter]
army."

The Chaos Cultists and Vehicle Design Rules are chapter approved
additions.


/me
==There is a difference, VDR is optional, where Cultists are additional
rules.
/end me


The Land Raider Crusader is from Codex: Armageddon. The article only
shows
which units from Codex (Chaos) Space Marine that can be used. The
chapter
approved and Codex: Armageddon are "in addition to" the codex.

In the Chapter Approved Compilation, it is stated:

For Cultists, "Any Chaos Space Marine army may include units of Chaos
Cultists..."

/me
==Exactly, Any |Chaos Space Marine Army| (look at the cover of the Chaos
Codex, "Chaos Space Marines", then look on page 4 at the top "Chaos
Space Marine Army." That is what we are talking about. Look at the
heading of any of the below mentioned Legions and you will see "Iron
Warriors Army, Night Lords Army, etc. None of them say "Chaos Space
Marine Army." And if they had their own 32 page codex, I would bet that
on the cover it would say : Codex: Iron Warriors or something.
/end Me


I think Emperor's Children, Night Lords, World Eaters, etc... all count
as
"Chaos Space Marine armys".

/me
==That's cool with me, but there is only one place where you can build a
"Chaos Space Marine Army" and that is by using "Codex : Chaos Space
Marines" Otherwise you are building a World Eaters Army, or a Night
Lords Army. I will not argue that the NL, WE, ETC are OF chaos, but
they are not listed as Chaos Space Marine Armies.
/end me



I didn't find a specific quote for VDR, but basically any army may have
VDR
vehicles (with opponent permission), even though the IA article doesn't
mention it. It doesn't make any sense to limit VDR to only Strict Codex
armies.

In Codex: Armageddon, it is stated:

For Land Raider Crusader, "Other Space Marine Chapters may take Crusader
pattern Land Raiders, but their greater rarity outside the Black
Templars
Chapter means that other Chapters are limited to having a maximum of
only
one."

If all chapters have access to LRC's, then they should be allowed to the
IA
chapters as well.

So, as I stated, for the same reason as VDR and the Land Raider
Crusader,
Cultists are allowed in ANY chaos army.

/me
Well, your creating the datafiles, so your interpretation is what will
rule the day, but I must say, that you are incorrect. Cultists are not
allowed in any |Chaos Army|, they are allowed in any |Chaos Space Marine
Army|.

Again, thanks for working on the datafiles, I just am not looking
forward to having to explain this to every person I play that takes the
AB files as law =] Not that it will be much of a problem for
long...soon we shall have the Codex for all of this and then there shall
be no grey area.

Anyway, just wanted to hear your take on this.

Good Hunting
TP
/end me



Shawn 'Not Colen' Campbell
40k3@electricstitch.com
http://www.electricstitch.com/ab_files (submit bug reports and view
history)


> What?

> > Now onto my question, I have been mulling this over for a few weeks
> now
> > and am very curious about a change that you made when you took over
> the
> > 40K datafiles. Why is it that you made Cultists available for
armies
> > such as:
>
> For the same reasons VDR is allowed and all space marine chapters get
> the
> Land Raider Crusader.



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