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If $34.99 dose not cover the cost raise the unit price. I would not mind if LWD wanted me to pay $10 a month to access all content. I have no idea what price point the market will bear, but I am positive that Paizo, Hasbro, and LWD financial executives have looked long and hard at this question. LWD has the right to price their products however they see fit. That being said if it was not for the $2.00 fee I would have spend $47.98 this week on Starfinder. As a loyal customer for over 8 years, who has purchased >75% of every data set ever released for Pathfinder; I am emphatically saying I will not pay both. I am willing to pay $34.99 for the Starfinder Core rule data set, I will not pay $514.99 for the same data set. $514.99 comes from 34.99 + $2.00 a month for ten years........Which is how long Pathfinder will have ran prior to second edition coming out. Plus remember that we do not know all the details yet, but in the upcoming content market for Realmworks you will be required to purchase the PDF from Paizo PRIOR to be allowed to purchase the data set from LWD. I do not disagree with this but it is an additional cost, as I have purchased FAR FAR FAR more data sets than books or PDF's. In the past I have purchased every data set but only the books I actually use. In fact having bought the data set has caused me to purchase the PDF so I could use the feat/class feature in organized play. |
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HLO you purchase the content and then continue to access the service. You continue to use their resources regardless of what part of the world you are in. Quote:
This is something LWD knew before they announced the tool. There was always going to be a % of customers who simply will not sign up to the new model. Honestly we saw a very similar and very loud backlash over the DnDBeyond release. Fast forward a year and the tool is getting more popular by the day. The nay-sayers are opening their wallets and signing up because of the benefit it offers. LWD are trying to position themselves for the current market. HLC is an old market. With people who are stuck in their ways but there's a significant portion of the digital RPG market not using their tool. This is such an intelligent decision by LWD, sure it wont appeal to everyone but it will appeal to a much larger market than exists in HLC today. Quote:
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Frankly, DnDBeyond is quite different in its offering from HLO. First of all, the basics are free, or rather financed by ads. When you buy packages you still can combine these with the "free" account as long as you don't need more than 6 characters or homebrew content from other users.
Then there is the "Master" tier that allows a GM to share his bought content with all his players in a group. This is one of the questions concerning HLO that I posted earlier, can content packages be shared with others in your gaming group in return for the subscription price? And even then there still are users who absolutely prefer to get an offline application. Here is a quote from DnDBeyond's own FAQ: Quote:
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With that said, we've given of thought to having a client-side app version of HLO. The main complication is that it'll be a lot of work to get there, so doing HLO with the current approach let us get something up and running now instead of it taking until Pathfinder 3 to be ready. |
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It's not the cost of HLO's subscription that bothers me. It's several things: 1) Useless features - All the features that the subscription supports (Multi-platform support, cloud access, etc.) are useless to me. I don't need to access HL from anything other than my Windows desktop and Windows laptop. I have technology tightly integrated into my games, but none of the benefits of HLO matter to me. It's not that I'm stuck in my old ways, it's that the way I game right now works and the new features will not improve it in any manner. 2) Lack of features - HLO, as it is now, is a crippled version of HL. It doesn't have custom content, doesn't have expected Paizo content (APs), and is basically a player tool, rather than a GM tool. Sure, all those features are promised. But I'm a Kickstarter Realm Works backer. I was promised a lot of features for RW that have never been delivered. Lone Wolf has proven themselves unable to deliver on promised features. Why should I believe them when they say they'll have these features soon? That's been their refrain with RW for years. 3) Uncertain accessibility - Right now, I can fire up HL and know I can access my portfolios as needed no matter what happens. With HLO, what if their server goes down? What if they're doing an update? What if they go out of business? Or any other myriad of things that may interrupt service. Suddenly I would be unable to run my game. With HL, my portfolios are completely under my control, and I can access them whenever. My PC goes down? No big deal, I have them synced to Dropbox and can use my laptop. Even if I couldn't open HL for some reason, I can just open the portfolios with 7zip and extract the stat blocks. I can still play. With HLO, everything is on LW's servers, and if something interrupts their service, I'm screwed. By the way Toblakai, did you know that PF is actually one of the cheapest hobbies you can find? It's free! You do not have to pay for anything - the rules are available online for free, you can use dice roller apps for free, and you don't need miniatures or maps or anything. The only thing you have to have is Internet access. |
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New does NOT mean better and OLD does not mean worse. Its actually OK for everyone to like different games and software for different reasons. Someone using or liking HLC is not a worse person and someone using HLO is not a Better Elite person. HLC does a fantastic job and is proven by how much its used by SO many people world wide. People are upset with HLO because they like HLC as it fulfills all the requirements of that individual and that is great! LW should be proud of that fact and its great that LW is trying trying to support other people with new features of HLO. Its just really sad that a game system can not currently exist in both HLC and HLO. Hero Lab Resources: Pathfinder - d20pfsrd and Pathfinder Pack Setup 3.5 D&D (d20) - Community Server Setup 5E D&D - Community Server Setup Hero Lab Help - Hero Lab FAQ, Editor Tutorials and Videos, Editor & Scripting Resources. Created by the community for the community - Realm Works kickstarter backer (Alpha Wolf) and Beta tester.- d20 HL package volunteer editor. |
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LWD has had the same price schedule for almost a decade. Depending on the size of the file we have paid $34.99, $24.99, $19.99, $14.99, $9.99, $5.99, or $3.99. You have never hear me complain about the cost of any data set. LWD could double or triple these prices and I would not complain, as that would be the price......I would probable be more picky about which ones I got but not complain about the cost. I understand the intrinsic value of the product I am buying when I purchase a data set. I do not see any value in the $2.00 a month service charge other than to double the price of a standard $24.99 data set every year. It is quite possible that I am wrong, but the $2.00 a month "PAYWALL" feels wrong. I invite LWD to explain this in a way that makes since. If they can GREAT I will get off my soap box and purchase more content. IF they can NOT then perhaps LWD needs to rethink this. If I have missed the point somewhere please explain it to me. |
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Nope don't see this. People are complaining about the $25/year and at the same time bragging about owning all the HLC PF content. There is a disconnect there.
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